Why Lenin And The Communists Were More EVIL Than You Think - Jordan Peterson



people even now because it's like the hundredth anniversary of the Russian Revolution or celebrating Lenin it's like that's not good that's like celebrating Hitler okay I'm dead serious about that it's not good and the fact that people can dare to think that that's okay means that there's something wrong with the way that we look at history Lenin was a monster and if you want to know about that you can read souls and instance writings about Lenin because they communist apologists say well I wasn't Lenin Lenin was a good guy he was all motivated by love of the working class it's like well his henchman was Stalin and if your henchman is Stalin you're not a good guy and and Lenin was around during the early collectivization and if you read what he wrote you'll find out that he was perfectly willing to have any number of people die as long as his ideological system could be brought into being so there's no celebrating Lenin there's no work cool young Marxist hip revolutionaries and he's our idol it's like there's none of that not if you know anything not if you're decent well there was death of the cool acts I told you about that there was the Ukrainian famine that's 6 million gone there there was the rise of the gulag state because it turned out that Russia the Soviet Union couldn't run on the principles that it had that it had laid down as sacrosanct they just didn't work so you had enslaved everybody and run your economy as a slave state essentially and try not to kill the people in the gulags so fast that you can't suck some productive labor out of them was the death of tens of millions of people we don't even know the estimates range from 15 to 60 million and like we won't get to pick even about the numbers because after the first 10 million you kind of made your point and the fact that we don't know between 15 and 60 is actually an indication of the horror of it because our count is off by tens of millions and that's only within the last century and then there was the 1956 crackdown on Hungary and the 1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia then there was the whole like thermal nuclear holocaust thing that was going on at the same time in the fact that in 1962 and in 1984 we were seconds away from complete annihilation right during the Cuban Missile Crisis the keys were in the intercontinental ballistic missile release systems and Castro as he admitted to Jimmy Carter in case any of you are Castro fans which you shouldn't be that he was perfectly willing to have Cuba annihilate it if it would have meant the defeat of the United States and then in 1984 approximately I may have the date exactly wrong the Russians received an indication from their early warning systems that the Americans had launched five thermonuclear missiles and one Russian decided that it was a mistake and refused to launch the retaliation and he just died about two weeks ago so you know that was pretty close and so that was experiment number one let's say that that wasn't good that experiment let's put it that way it wasn't good it was exactly the antithesis of good it was precisely the antithesis of good but that wasn't all I mean there's the People's Republic of China that's a different country like seriously a different country right different tradition different language how many people died in China under Mao no one knows same issue with the Soviet Union although mile was a bigger monster than Stalin and that's that's impressive you know because there's Hitler there's Stalin and there's Mao and of the 3-mile was probably the worst he's still revered in China maybe that accounts for their affinity for North Korea which could still destroy us all the remnants of that horrible state maybe a hundred million people died in China during the Great forward that's a hell of a leap forward well maybe it wasn't a hundred million you know maybe it was only 40 million but as I said before when you're counting in the tens of millions your points already made and then there was Cambodia and the killing fields and Bulgaria and East Germany and Romania and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea that's North Korea and Vietnam and Ethiopia Hungary etc etc etc there was never a successful communist state Cuba I suppose came closest but it was radically the Soviets poured money into Cuba so that doesn't really count so then the first question was well are these Marxists motivated by love or hatred well is it love or hatred that produces a hundred million dead people is that enough evidence or not and if it's not enough evidence if you think to yourself well that's not enough evidence it was never really given its proper a proper try it's like well what would have been a proper try see I always think when I hear someone say that I know what you think you think in your delusional arrogance did you understand the Marxist doctrines better than anyone else ever has and that if you are the one implementing those doctrines you would have ushered in the utopia that's what you mean when you say that and you know they say and there's an idea in the New Testament that there's a sin it's the sin against the holy ghost if you commit that sin no one really knows what it is that you can't be forgiven and I would say well if you want to candidate for the sin against the Holy Ghost in the 21st century the statement communism real communism was never tried with the underlying idea that if you had been the person implementing it it would worked I think that's a pretty good contender for something for which you should never be forgiven you




Comments
  1. [from a history student]
    Talking about History, I don’t think JP has his history sorted either. Going “if Stalin is your henchman, he can’t be a good guy”, is like taking a chapter of history and squeezing it into a paragraph. In history, Lenin did all he could to avoid a situation after his death, which saw Stalin as the leader. But then we have JP rewriting history here.
    At times I am a big fan, and then at times I go like “JP, keep your unmatchable intellect (that’s a compliment) and shut the fuck up!!” Distorting history to prove a point is very very uncool.

  2. For example Lenin made genocide to Tatar Turks who lived in Crimea. Now Crimea belongs to Russia because of Lenin. Hitler made genocide to jews and romans. There is no difference.

  3. Think about the fact that the victors always get to write the history too. I mean, we supposedly won those wars against marxism/communism/socialism. If you remember, the Obamas put a Christmas Decoration on the nation's tree honoring Mao Zedong. And Americans never blinked but continued to deny they were marxist traitors within. Mind boggling.

  4. Superb Dr Petersen. The scale of communism’s evil is hard to comprehend. Sometimes I think communists hate Nazism simply because they didn’t kill enough. Only 6 million Jews? What pikers!

  5. Wow ! When emotional, Jordan Peterson gets as confused as anybody. Maybe he recently became a feminist ? He splits the world in two. The evil doers and us ! He judges the other side but forget to look in his own back yard. He usually makes his point by being rational and explaining his thought by giving exemples. But in this video, it's… Lenin was bad, believe me…ok Mr. teacher, Lenin was bad. I got the lesson. Do I deserve a 10 ? Please…
    If I was him, I would erase that video and let people appreciate the other real analysis he made.

  6. We live at a time when the left think of nothing less then getting even for all their perceived wrongs. This is why I fear them achieving power as Obama had who mercifully squandered it.

  7. Hitler, Stalin, Mao…all crazy narcissists… Yes. ..but Peterson forgot to mention one more person in this list – Donald Trump.
    And he talks with such an anger about history of another country (if he ever been to Russia at all?) so we can see how much he is afraid of Russia (why? We are polite and friendly:).
    And why he talk from historical point of view? I thought he is a psychologist and it would be great to hear about all those people (including Trump) from psychological point of view.

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