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will be only bureaucracy. A few years back we took a look at alien First
Contact scenarios and we came up with 9 scenarios those might fall into, though fundamentally
you’ve got three basic forms that can take. They come to us, we come to them, or we bump
into each other out there. Today we’ll be focused on that first one,
and specifically where they’re trying to contact us, as opposed to us simply noticing
they exist, as would be the case with picking up some signal not intended for us or some
trace of their existence. This doesn’t mean they’re necessarily
landing in full view of the public with some saucer that disgorges little green men. Indeed as we’ll see today, that’s not
a very likely first contact scenario, and if they did land, we’d likely expect the
ship to disgorge something that looked quite human, as in many cases that would be the
most logical thing to do. But we can’t simply ask what the most logical
means of first contact is, because there isn’t one. Rather any given first contact would depend
on what the motivations of those doing the contact was. As an example, a hostile species that simply
wanted us dead would likely make contact with what we call a RKM, Relativistic Kill Missile,
or rather a volley of thousands of them hammering Earth so hard and fast that the contact would
last mere moments and take the form of bright expanding shockwaves – Game Over. Not the most illuminating of first contact
scenarios for learning about an advanced civilization, although I suppose in a literal sense it actually
is due to the sheer amount of light and radiation involved. On the other extreme, first contact might
come in the form of a radio signal in plain English saying “Greeting humans of Earth. This message comes to you in peace Tune into
Frequency X for an overview of basic Galactic information and detailed instructions on creating
a Galactic Internet link so you can access information files in high-bandwidth. Welcome to the Galactic Community.” Which would certainly be a nice message to
receive, assuming it’s on the level, honest and without any particular malicious or mischievous
motivation. But wouldn’t it immediately require asking,
“Why today? Why a century after we had radio? And why by radio anyway?” Anytime we get contacted we’d have to ask
“what has changed?”, assuming they knew of our existence prior to contact and the
message was meant exclusively for us, as opposed to us discovering a civilization far away
because our telescopes got better. Though that could be an example itself, if
they are reluctant to contact primitive worlds, but keep an eye on them, they might see such
telescopes getting built and say “Well, they’re going to detect us soon, best do
it on our own terms”. You might think it ethical to leave young
civilizations alone to develop without your interference, but once they have the technology
to explore space, they’re going to bump into the wider galactic community, and pragmatism
says you’d best go say hello soon, before they randomly bump into who-knows-what and
panic. That’s exactly what the pragmatic Vulcans
did when humans first developed warp in Star Trek: First Contact, and becomes Starfleet’s
basic policy eventually. So that’s an example of a way that development
on our side could drive first contact, but changing circumstances on contactors’ side
could also be the reason. Some interstellar empire that nominally controlled
the space Earth was in changed policies or ceded control of that territory for some reason. Now folks can contact or visit Earth who were
previously unwilling or forbidden to, and it has nothing to do with anything humanity
has been up to. As another example, if some neighboring third
civilization is getting aggressive, you might make contact earlier than ideal to give the
natives a chance to prepare, perhaps even lend them a hand in the form of military hardware
or a team of lawyers. And for that matter, it might be one’s own
aggressive civilization they’d want to give the natives a fighting chance against. Which is another thing to remember on this:
you are pretty much never going to be dealing with just one isolated group, Humanity and
Civilization X. While it’s quite possible, even without
faster than light travel, for a single species to colonize out from its homeworld to cover
the entire galaxy, it would be rather peculiar for them to have done so on such a recent
timeline to our own emergence. It’s being fairly conservative to say that
astronomical conditions would have permitted civilizations to arise only in the last billion
years, and galactic colonization timelines shouldn’t take more than a percent of that
time, ten million years – so why now? The odds of only two such species, them and
us, arising in that same period but nobody else doing so in that billion year period
would be 1 in 10,000 and frankly even such ‘good’ odds rely on assuming life couldn’t
have arisen much earlier, which it almost certainly could have, and that civilizations
not only never get faster than light travel but colonize quite slowly even by subluminal
methods, and that we only need to contemplate our own galaxy. Of course they might be way older, and just
been sitting around, but that raises some other concerns. First, why they sat around watching Earth
so long, many millions of years, and second, how they managed to stay “They”. Even ignoring the isolation worlds have from
each other at interstellar distances, by assuming faster than light travel, they’re not likely
to be homogenous anymore. It’s very dubious to assume a species that’s
been spread out over not only tens of thousands of light years of space but tens of millions
of years of time is anything like a cohesive civilization. Just living apart all that time around alien
suns, with no shared external threat to keep them unified, is going to make them more divergent
from their kindred on other worlds than we are from any other mammal, and that’s ignoring
all the high-tech options on the table like genetic engineering, cybernetics, uplifting,
and mind uploading, which should only hasten divergence. And so, even if in the beginning there was
just one great alien civilization out there, there would soon be many. Such being the case, anything they might do
in regard to us has to be seen through the lens of them worrying what their neighbors
or rivals might think. After all, they might have whole armadas of
ships that could single-handedly obliterate Earth, but so do their neighbors and rivals. They always have to ask what the response
would be, even to non-hostile acts like showing up with open arms and free technology. It’s conceivable that all the alien factions
would be fairly peaceful and friendly but frown on gaining allies and converts by what
they might view as bribery, potentially upsetting the status quo. We looked at that scenario a bit in Invasive
Aliens some months back. Alternatively they might be all guided by
some grand ideal. It’s not super unlikely that ethics tend
to converge to certain core and universal principles and if they did, then it doesn’t
matter if you can maintain cohesive galactic empire or not. For instance, all life on Earth shares a survival
impulse, it’s rather inevitable under Darwin and we’d expect that to be Universal, and
most ethical ideals can trace some connection to our various biological impulses plus various
reasoning, or rationalizing. I think it would be quite a jump to assume
every species out there believed in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness but
maybe not a huge one. More to the point, if societies tend to get
more rational over time it’s plausible they might converge to some shared ethics, particularly
if they tended only to arise from species that placed great value on curiosity and community
bonds, both of which would seem almost prerequisites for technologically advanced civilizations. Problem is, if they do, it’s kind of hard
to imagine they wouldn’t want to just show up on Earth and share those, or why they’d
think Earth in the year 2020 AD was better suited to it than it was in 2020 BC. Oh, they might figure we’d have an easier
time absorbing those principles now than then, but someone is bound to point out that 4040
years, 102 human generations, is a very long time to wait for better conditions to save
a little work. Humans are basically the same now as then
in terms of mind and body, so if it took a few extra generations to get the job done
then, it would still get done way earlier, by starting way earlier. On contemplation, probably even earlier since
it’s likely to be way easier to convert relatively primitive cultures to your life
philosophy. I dislike using analogies that imply primitive
cultures are like children compared to more advanced ones, but it applies to some degree. More to the point, regardless of whether it’s
easier to teach a 5 year old or a 10 year old basic ethics, you still start with the
5 year old because you don’t want them stumbling around hurting themselves or others any longer
than is necessary. So if they’ve got a Grand Ideal, you’d
need a reason why they aren’t sharing it as early as they find plausible. The exception being if that Grand Ideal is
non-interference, but you wouldn’t expect the lone, primary Grand Ideal of a civilization
to be about minor civilizations on their fringes, anymore than the various major nations of
nowadays focus their principles on what they should do in regard to this or that uncontacted
tribe. They might think it important but it wouldn’t
be the centerpiece of their culture. Even in Star Trek, it’s the prime directive
of their peacetime exploration group, Starfleet, not the Federation itself. It’s also not a policy that works great
unless everyone is on board. In the Trek Universe there is the Federation
and there are a lot of other empires who do not follow that policy. So it gets handwaved away why the Romulans
or Ferengi for instance haven’t just gone and contacted everybody the Federation hasn’t. In a case like that, if not everyone is on
board, then your Prime Directive has to be modified to not just not contacting primitive
worlds but guarding them or threatening your other neighbors who may contact them. That does offer one decently plausible scenario. Any species that has gone on the galactic
stage first might have felt terribly lonely and fascinated by various simple alien life
they encountered. Say they discovered a thousand worlds throughout
the galaxy that hosted some native life with a decent chance of producing a sapient species
sometime reasonably soon on galactic timelines, perhaps a million years. They might quarantine the space of say five
hundred light years around each such world, both to help ensure isolation and to be a
gift to that species when and if they achieve spaceflight. That’s quite a gift too, such volume is
generally going to contain around a million stars. Though not super generous on galactic scales
since it’s not even a percent of the galaxy’s available systems. If they tell any species that shows up to
keep their grubby hands out of those protected spheres, or else, they probably won’t have
to work hard to keep that as an accepted policy. Fight all you want over any remaining worlds,
assuming we haven’t claimed them ourselves, but keep away from those tiny bubbles. And to anyone operating on the galactic stage
that is a tiny bubble even if it contains a million suns. Of course all such things are relative, and
if we’re going to contemplate Elder Civilizations who operate on multi-million year timelines
and multi-billion star neighborhoods, creating large protected bubbles, one could argue something
like our expanding Universe might be an intentional way of creating pockets of isolation. You see such a world appear, with basic life
on it, and slap dark energy generators around to effectively isolate it from everyone else
by creating a massive expanding sphere of emptiness around them. Pretty over the top and I don’t think it
fits the observed facts about dark matter and energy too well, but it’s good to remember
that when dealing with massive and ancient civilizations the scale of efforts can be
mind-bogglingly huge even before factoring in any ultra-advanced technologies that might
break known physical laws. So too, since it’s unlikely any civilization
that’s managed to be around for millions let alone billions of years is terribly focused
on biology as a necessary component of life, you might dump civilizations into effective
pocket universes to keep them safe, be they ones you made by Clarketech or simply virtual
worlds you’ve uploaded their brains to. Key notion there is that a principle of non-interference,
or the Zoo Hypothesis, is plausible enough as a reason we seem to be alone, but there
are so many problems with the way we usually see in science fiction, and so many more pragmatically
effective ways. As we said, timing on first contact is going
to be about either principles, pragmatism, or current events – their current events,
not ours. When it comes to principles, the only one
that really fits the bill for waiting to contact folks till they’ve reached some cultural
or technological level is non-interference. So principles don’t fit too well as they
have probably got better options that are more likely to work for keeping us safely
quarantined. Such being the case, if we get a Hello signal
or a ship landing on Earth, it’s not likely to actually originate from what we think of
as our galaxy anyway, which is likely to be an illusion, or a bubble entirely gifted to
us. The notion someone might grant a whole galaxy
or Observable Universe to someone might seem rather ridiculous but everything’s relative,
and channel regulars already know just how ambitious we can be even without any super-advanced
technologies. If you accept things like faster than light
travel as possible, for instance, you have to consider dealing with species that not
only don’t come from our galaxy but don’t come from our Observable Universe. For all we know the whole Grand Shebang is
a trillion, trillion galaxies or more and somebody happened across Earth a billion years
ago, liked what they saw, and threw a giant dark energy generator back in time to isolate
our otherwise empty galactic supercluster from interference or shoved the whole supercluster
through a mega-wormhole into some new pocket Universe. You make first contact when that species,
us in this case, figures out how to notice that or look outside it. If they do contact you via signal or ship
though, they might go for that classic science fiction approach of landing a ship in Central
Park and asking to be taken to our leader just to make us feel more comfortable, part
of why I’d half-expect the ship to disgorge humans rather than little green men. You probably can arrange to have your ambassador
not only look like but actually be whatever species you are visiting, rather than shock
them with how you look and behave. Indeed, there’s a pretty good chance that
rather than being from species of billions of little green men who colonized part of
the galaxy, the galactic community is actually billions of Matrioshka Brains, giant megaminds
each powered by their own sun and running computational power in excess of a trillion,
trillion human brains each. Since a Matrioshka Brain is a type of Dyson
Sphere, you’d expect to be able to see such a community, or rather not see them since
anyone of those megaminds could pack brain uploads of every human who ever lived into
a tiny closet of vast computational castles, there is no reason to assume you and I are
actually seeing the real galaxy when we look up at that sky anyway. That’s another key concept too, if you’re
getting contacted by aliens then you should expect you’re dealing with something that’s
at least on the Kardashev-2 scale. See that episode for details about how mind-boggling
powerful such civilizations are even if they’re running with more or less modern human technology,
but short form, they outnumber you so massively that they’d literally have more anthropologists
than you have people. Indeed just a single K-2 civilization around
one lone star ought to be able to devote the equivalent of an entire University to studying
each and every single star in the galaxy while funding it about as much as we fund modern
anthropology. That means they know us better than we know
ourselves when they pop out of their ship or send a signal to us saying hello. If their goal is to traumatize us the least,
than they are going to have a good idea how to do that. Needless to say, if they have some other goals,
they are just as well-equipped to do that too. Heck they probably know us so well, and have
so advanced their own capabilities for neurology and psychology, that they could likely just
brainwash us or deliver such a well-polished salespitch that we’d be jumping for joy
at whatever they offered, even if it was mass enlistment to serve as cannon fodder in some
war of theirs, or as prey in their hunt, or as their dinner entree. I’m never quite sure why science fiction
likes to suggest aliens might want us for food, particularly since they could presumably
mass clone synthetic human meat from a few samples of our DNA, but I suspect if that
was their agenda they wouldn’t need to do it at gunpoint or even by deception. They could probably feed us such a load of
tripe that we’d be jumping for the chance to be rendered as tripe. You always have to ask, for any proposed alien
motivation, if there’s a way easier way to achieve the apparent goal. I can’t imagine why they’d want to put
humans on the menu at galactic diners, beyond there presumably being a market for exotic
meats. It would seem fairly likely many civilizations
would have taboos and an aversion to cannibalism or it’s alien equivalent, but even if not,
they ought to be able to just grow meat anyway and even if they prefer meat that was hunted
or slaughtered from something that had been sapient. I doubt that would be a universal taste, meaning
you’ve got to worry what your neighbors will do when they find out, again see the
Invasive Aliens episode for discussion of that issue. How about pragmatism as a reason for saying
hello now, not ten thousand years ago? Well, speaking of restaurants with exotic
menu options, they might have companies that franchise a lot and want to setup shop on
Earth. Plenty of folks would pay good money to try
alien cuisine, be it food or drink, after all as we noted in Parasitic Aliens, it’s
likely to be good stuff, Alien Beer is to die for. You might be wondering what we’d pay with,
being rather primitive, but trade is very adaptable and inventive, and this is an example
of when pragmatism could apply. The more advanced a civilization gets, at
least if human history is a good measure, the more exotic and abstract its tastes, both
literally for food and in many other things too. They might have services to offer that you
need to be fairly high-tech to desire or appreciate, same as you can’t sell video games to cavemen,
and there might be local rules about excessively priming the pump. No landing among Neolithic tribes and bootstrapping
their technology until they can desire and afford smartphones, no getting them to sign
over entire mineral-rich asteroids they don’t even know exist in exchange for a ten-year
subscription to Galactinet, and so on. We may also have finally started producing
a large quantity of something they value, which is likely to be something artistic or
creative. They might find our video games or movies
very interesting, and think they could be adapted as big sellers with more advanced
production techniques, and so to the surprise of everyone in Hollywood whose been making
films about them landing on Earth for years, they might go land right in Hollywood and
say “Take me to your Producer” As a whole, any given pragmatism-based scenario
always has to say what the goal is and why we just meet it now, or in the near future,
for it to work. It’s great if it’s the principle of non-interference
and they know you’re within spitting distance technologically of being able to spot them
with new telescopes. Or if you know they’re going to figure out
how to use and listen to some faster-than-light communications network you have. It also works if you’re not really into
non-interference but just don’t care much about other civilizations culturally and are
nice enough not to steal homeworlds, but suddenly have a motive. For instance if rules or customs of galactic
conflicts forbid establishing military or trade outposts on worlds or in their system
if the native species tells you to get out, but now they’re out in space and you need
to ask for a contract for basing rights. Then they find out you’ve been using Mars
as a spy outpost for a million years and kick you out. Or demand back rent. But that takes us to our third option, besides
principles or pragmatism, current events in the galaxy, or at least the stellar neighborhood. Things change, and a galactic map is likely
to have very fluid lines for things like borders or regulations or trade and defense treaties. Earth might have been under the shadow of
some empire for 10,000 years who just lost this bit of space or it seceded to become
a new realm of its own, or suddenly they need to buildup outposts in our area and they want
our permission or cooperation. Possibly out of ethical interests, or a long
time fondness for us who they’ve been quietly protecting, or possibly to keep their other
neighbors neutral or on their side in whatever conflict was brewing, if they might look ill
upon setting such outposts up without our genuine permission. Or it might be something that’s a bit of
a current events for us too, like a dwarf planet or rogue black hole headed our way,
and they don’t think its practical to try to do that without us knowing or even helping. “We need to disassemble Mercury to make
a giant cannon to blow up this dwarf planet headed your way” is probably the sort of
thing you aren’t going to even try to do covertly. Of course if they offer to do that, you probably
want to try to make sure that’s all the cannon is planned for, rather than, say, being
a big gun for blowing up their neighbors and you to serve as the fall guys when their armada
show up in our solar system to inquire about what happened and what your funeral customs
are. I always tend to assume alien civilizations
are courteous like that. Probably true too, you likely can’t make
a civilization without concepts like diplomacy and courtesy, especially really advanced ones
where offensive firepower is wildly disproportionate to defenses. That’s one more pragmatic reason for contact,
not saying hello when you know they’re about to find out you exist soon anyway, but doing
so before they make some horrible, self-destructive weapon or technology. By default we just assume any weapon we might
make in the near future would be no threat to them, but that’s a big assumption. It could be a lot of civilizations destroy
themselves early on with Suicide Pact Technologies, like we discussed in Late Filters last month,
and they show up before you do hoping to prevent that. Indeed you might have a galaxy devoid of any
ancient civilizations because this happened very frequently and only recently did anyone
manage to avoid killing themselves and now they try to pay their good luck forward by
intervening. On the other hand, we never want to get in
the habit of assuming technology always just keeps getting better and better over time. It might be that technology snowball’s very
fast and a 22nd century Earth can create just as good a self-replicating sentient galaxy
devastating super weapon as anyone else can. I generally roll my eyes at science fiction
that suggests aliens stay away from us because we’re hyper-aggressive, or only visit because
they need to enlist us in their cause for having that trait, because I tend to figure
anything that crawls its way up Darwin’s 4 billion year deep corpse pile is going to
pretty aggressive too, so that even if they are nice guys now they weren’t always and
wouldn’t likely scorn us for that trait but rather offer us a hand getting out of
it or just figure we’ll outgrow it. On the other hand, it could be they feel obliged
to race in whenever they find a species at about our level knowing we’re getting pretty
close to being able to build superweapons that are superweapons as far as they’re
concerned too. Though this, like so many other options, always
leaves that big question as to “why now?”, what changed with us or with them that makes
it better to say hello now and not a century ago, or ten thousand years ago? Not a lot of good answers that I’ve heard,
and again why I tend to assume there’s no galactic community yet and if there’s ever
to be one, we’ll have to build it ourselves, but the good news is, looking at means, motive,
and opportunity, if there is anybody out there with particularly nasty intent, they could
so easily have already taken action that we can probably conclude they either don’t
exist or are held in check for some reason and one which hopefully will keep applying
for centuries to come. There is one dark mirror version of the Prime
Directives of non-interference. Civilizations might have rules about not contacting
primitive civilizations, but it might be that it’s the galactic equivalent of fair play,
and once civilization hit a certain ‘age’ they’re expected to fend for themselves
against galactic threats, be it natural disasters like asteroids or alien armadas or abusive
trade partners and scam artists. You get out there and start colonizing your
local planets and mining your asteroids and they expect you to deal with stuff like asteroid
impacts on your own. Or for that matter, they might come land their
ships after you’ve started mining asteroids for space gold and present you a bill for
past protection services. “Welcome to the Galactic Community, you
owe us 4 billion years of back taxes”, and suddenly the hostile armada of homicidal alien
robots doesn’t sound that bad in comparison. While taxes and bureaucracy are likely to
be a feature of any civilization, trade is probably going to be the true cornerstone
of any interstellar civilization, be it with your own colonies or alien empires, and whether
that’s in raw materials or luxury goods or simply data and information. We’ll be taking an expanded look at the
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  1. I doubt we have any civilization that’s been protecting our system/planet specifically for humans or other similar species. The near apocalyptic comet impact in Greenland some 12,300 years ago is proof enough of that for me

  2. I like the idea of being put in isolation until we grew to an appropriate level, perhaps the great attractor is pulling us towards "civilization proper" …just out of view 😉

  3. I have a suggestion for the "Fermi Paradox": We have our physics wrong, and we live in a "electric universe" which would allow stars, including our sun, to have 'micro-nova' with all the devastation that those would cause.

    If we look at earths 'recent' history, we have 'extinction events' roughly every 12 thousand years…

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    My UFO brings all the babes to the Heavens

    And they're like, it's better than yours

    Damn right it's better than yours

    I could fix yours, but I have to charge

    I know you want it

    The thing that makes me warp-drive

    What the chicks go crazy for

    They lose their minds

    The way I fly

    I think it's time

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    The babes are waiting

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    The sweeties are waiting

    My UFO brings all the babes to the paradise

    And they're delighted, it's better than yours

    Damn right it's better than yours

    I can upgrade yours, but I have to charge

    My UFO brings all the babes to the yard…

    (Any similarity with another text is pure coincidence … (lol))
    But here is some fine music to take your confusion away : https://youtu.be/6AwXKJoKJz4

  5. We don't have a shared perspective on ethics and morality among humans, it seems extraordinary to imagine that we'd have such a shared perspective with lifeforms less like us than any creature on earth. There is after all no reason to believe that respect for life and liberty are necessary prerequisites for interstellar travel.

  6. Of course if an alien civilization first noticed humanity 7,000 years ago and was far away, they might not get here until now.

  7. Look at the political upheaval running amuck upon this Earth now! Imagine humans like we are now, playing upon a galactic political stage.. YIKES!!! The save the whales, will turn into save the empants.. And the green new deal, will change into the galactic new deal! OKAY, we are doomed. l0l

  8. In Star Trek, non-Federation factions DO routinely invade or contact primitive worlds, it just doesn't get screen time much.

  9. Although of course your sponsor is someone else, as noted at the start of the episode, seeing Stellaris: Federation (a DLC about galactic communities, even if its not about first contact scenarios) is coming out in early 2020 (probably about a month from now), the timing makes it feel like this could have been sponsored by Stellaris instead. (Just commenting on the coincidence of it.)

  10. And then we found out 99% of civilizations develop in the stellar filaments and galactic halos, rather than the few, scattered and chaotic galactic discs and spheres.

  11. Star Treks prime directive not specifically alluded to but pretty obvious is more than non interference. It's a sophisticated active denial information cloak.
    Specifically, all radio transmissions that can ever be detected no matter how big the receiver is cloaked. You can build a radio telescope as big as Mars that can detect a cell phone 100 light years away, but the federation must make results negative. Passive space telescopes that could detect extrasolar City lights or spectrum artificial signals would be altered.
    All interstellar probes would have their radio signals altered if they flew by an inhabited planet.
    No matter how hard you try you will think you are alone, and the quarentine can only be rescinded by proof that you have accelerated a craft past light speed for at least 20 seconds.

  12. -Galactic Council: "You are in this council, but we will not give you the title of full member"
    Humans Why?
    Galactic Council " You are too young, You are still in a barbaric stage, Till you learn not to fight and kill your own kind how can you judge others?
    Humans, Why did you let us in the council?
    Galactic Council: "So you may learn" We will help you.

  13. You forgot the option that maybe they didn't show up 10,000 years ago because they don't want to interfere in primitive cultures, cultural development. Basically They want every planet/sentient species to develop their own self identity before they interfere. So they wait until they are going to find them soon anyways (at which point "contamination" of the culture is inevitable) to contact them. If they interfere with primitive species and cultures then that species is likely to be very similar to the one that helped them (think kids having similar thinking to their parents, Similar culture, Politics, Religion, Similar "common knowledge".). So by waiting until the specie has developed to a certain point that specie has its own self-identity and those species then bring that to the galactic civilization. And this keeps the galactic civilization from becoming stagnant (new cultures, New art, New ideas, New ways of thinking, New perspectives with each new specie that joins).

  14. In the Deathworlders stories, which are available for free online, Humans are classified as non-sentient fauna because we haven't developed FTL travel.

  15. Sadly passed author Julian May wrote a series of books based around the premise that humanity would be welcomed into a galactic society once it reached a critical mass of psychic and ethical/spiritual development. The books Intervention, Jack The Bodiless, Diamond Mask and Magnificat follows the lives of multiple families as they work through and influence the path of humans as they adjust to the sudden awareness and interaction with a vastly larger alien society. Definitely worth reading.

  16. "Take me to your leader"! Joke. The first indication will be an advanced notice probably splattered across every nations Space Control screens. <quote>"ETSI and UN please prepare a welcoming delegation. We will arrive one year from now. Attached is a file of our environmental requirements. Language English.<quote> PS, could we stop talking about 'Green Men'? If this channel wants to be seen as serious modern speak (not just 'Green Persons'!) would be nice.

  17. Whenever i would play stellaris, and a primitive civilisation would emerge on some planet inside my empire, i would put observation post there and bomb them when they reached industrial or space faring age, simply because i didnt want to deal with them. When theres whole empire to take care of, you dont really have time to waste with monkeys with advanced tools.

    So i wonder if there is some observation post around us, and a clean up fleet on its way.

  18. I really hope I am part of that first group to make first contact. That way when they ask me what the human equivalent for "extraterrestrial visitor" is, I would reply with "Ayy Lmao".

  19. I shield my child from realities & truths that he is yet to comprehend or is currently too immature to maintain a balanced perspective which comes with physical, logical & emotional growth.

    If I was to be a part of an advanced civilisation which relativistically I should say I am then I would either shield from or provide protection to a habitat that is obviously developing from primordial chemistry to complex sentient beings and would only increase the level of protection as newer advancements within said species unfold.

    Until I asses through my own conceived & perceived incremental necessary steps that must come before this developing species is ready to be lifted to the wider implications of existence.

    I’ve stated it before the zoo hypothesis is a fair match for the Fermi paradox.

    When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

    Is a part of my reasoning.

  20. This video coincidentally validated a First Contact scenario in my own writing.

    The aliens who happen to be our nearest galactic neighbors had a brutal nuclear war in their own past, and narrowly avoided driving themselves into extinction. This left them with lasting cultural trauma over whether they were uniquely self-destructive, or whether it was a common aspect to all life.

    When they later began exploring and discovered their primitive neighbors, they realized we were about to enter the same stage of development, and decided to keep us isolated as a grand sociological experiment.

  21. We are a weapons-research experiment with self-modifying replicators, contained using a large gravity well and basic chemistry not expected to produce a replicator capable of surviving outside of it. We are being "contacted" because we have begun to escape containment.

  22. Remember what McCoy said in Star Trek 4 "Bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the Universe, We will get a freighter"

  23. on B-5 that is what caused the Earth Minbari War they meet in space neither each one had a fleet of ships no one knew how to talk to each other one ship panic and open fired and the Minbari opened fired and started the war do not want a chance enounter in space

  24. There is something very reminiscent of Douglas Adams with that last scene of aliens landing and presenting you with a bill for over a billion years of backed taxes.

  25. As far as alien companies are concerned it doesn't particularly make sense to me how a company could exist in a society that has almost completely overcome scarcity. Other than in some of the more dystopian imaginings of galactic civilization. Then again. We essentially don't have nutritional scarcity on this planet and yet thousands starve every day.

  26. I am curious why you persistently ignore the US Government's recent statements that the aircraft shown in the recently released F18 videos (Gimbal, Go fast, etc) are real and they don't know what they are. The sailors running the SPY 1 radar state that these aircraft descended from 80000 feet to the surface in less than a second. Now I don't know about you, but that looks to me like pretty good evidence that aliens are already here. You ramble on about a bunch of hypothetical scenarios and ignore the only one that there is evidence for. Please explain your rationale.

  27. Oh please dont land at the white house…
    "Hello aliens. I am the greatest human ever, possibly in the universe! Dont be a little green loser, talk to my daughter about buying some really nice property near the Baltic. We can get you a great price, the best price ever. Dont make me wipe you off the map. Be my friend and I can make you YUUUGE here…"

  28. There is a DLC coming out for a civilization space game called Stellaris featuring a galactic council. I saw this video and thought it was about it, oh well more Isaac!

  29. While watching this, I wondered if anyone has tried DNA SETI. If aliens added some some DNA to earth life to put some of it on track for becoming intelligent(ish), could that be detected?

  30. If you Imbed hyper links under the video pop screen shots it would be nice might give you some more viewers on earlier videos

  31. They will reprogram use with biotech to us to change us into what they want us to be, even the interstellar probes we are desigining can carry viruses and nanobots…

  32. can someone explain why youtube creators don't just make a second channel and put videos to those with links in the description if they're worried about how a video might do on their channel? great video btw

  33. Here is one reason for caution when contacting civilizations: In the aftermath of the devastation of the Tsunami of 2004, many uncontacted or barely contacted tribes came in contact with the wider world through relief efforts. The result was usually traumatic, bringing drugs and diseases to those tribes – And this is with no bad intentions on either side. Best to leave them alone, they might not appreciate or benefit from having their culture disrupted. IF you make contact, be very careful or at least subtle about it.

  34. Trade is the best idea I think. There's always scarcity of something, always. Art, cultural icons, ideas, even custom productions of materials and goods. Luxuries are generally a survival instinct. Don't believe me? Why do gorillas habitate abandoned structures?

  35. "Give them a hand in the form of military hardware or a team of lawyers" earth definitely could have used a lawyer when the built that intergalactic Highway

  36. Isaac, have you read Paul Krugman's "A Theory of Interstellar Trade?" I read an Economist article a few years back about, but never got around to reading the actual paper. Seems relevant to an episode about trade, and I would be very interested to see what you might have to say about it!


  37. So, David Brin was on target about The Galactic Community? No wonder our copy of "Encyclopedia Galactica" has ONE page.;)
    How about this episode of "The Twilight Zone": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y73wzqnN6kI&t=431s

  38. Maybe since we live in 10 percent of the universe total mass the reason for the Fermi paradox is that aliens live in the other 90 percent.

  39. Ha ha, waiting for the majority humanity to become hospitable to a Galactic Community, is going to take many more thousands of years. I'd have to say that the 0.1% of us that are ready to become a part of the galactic community is certainly a long way from a majority.

  40. Just gonna put it out there that if in my lifetime we are contacted by aliens that give us some line about how they waited until we were sufficiently developed before making contact, I'm going to send them a letter asking why exactly they needed to wait to give us access to cures for diseases, technological solutions to pollution and resource shortages, etc. Why exactly did they feel comfortable allowing the millions of people who died avoidable deaths between when they first detected us and when they made contact.

    Because as far as I'm concerned that is inexcusable, and no amount of "But cultural dilution!" makes it okay.

  41. Galactic taxes? Every society could have different medium of value exchange ("currency") … I think of the Rick & Morty where the giant heads are looking for a hit song.

  42. 15:44 Vast computational castles? Considering that the typical citizen of a first world country now lives a life that every pre-industrial king and emperor would have envied, I wonder if we're already inside such a simulation?

  43. "Welcome to the Galactic Liberation Front. Our enemy, the Reclamationist Harmonium, uploaded you into this backup simulation some 9,000 years ago when your region was converted into smart matter for the construction of a Reclamationist foundry complex. Now that they are defeated here, you are being retrieved. Unfortunately, your simulation must now be shut down because the computational substrate is damaged and failing. Your original human forms are incapable of surviving physical conditions around the destroyed foundry, hence you are being retrieved as Liberation defensive emplacements to help secure our new Front. The expected time for retrieval is about 42 minutes. Enjoy this music as you wait."

  44. ATTENTION CITIZEN: Multiple third party sources have reported one or more of your recent actions as being inappropriate. Once a citizen is notified in such a manner,said citizen is reviewed by members of the Adeptus Arbites in accordance to the Book of Judgment. Upon review, we had determined that the following actions are in violation of the Book of Judgment: [CRITICIZING THE LAW]. Your imperial right of existence has received one judgement, which will expire upon your deathbed. Additional violation may result in disabling of your legs or the permanent termination on your life. Please note that killing yourself will not resolve the judgment on your existence,as you will be reassembled as a semi-sentient servitor until your tithe has been paid to the Imperium.If you wish to appeal to the Adeptus Arbites as to counteract your judgment, please inform us as to why you believe the judgment to be wrongful in 20 words or less. Upon reaching your maximum word count,your legs will be disabled and your food supply shall be limited to to one in a half rations per week. We appreciate your understanding!

  45. What if they land, say "Take me to your leader." and we respond, "Yea, I don't think so. He's a bit of an asshole.."

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