Vincent Montalbano: Work is It! Work is Everything! | Eldridge & Co.


♪ [THEME MUSIC] ♪>>HELLO, I’M RONNIE ELDRIDGE. WELCOME TO “ELDRIDGE AND COMPANY.” THE LAST TIME I TALKED POLITICS WITH VINNIE MONTALBANO — IT WAS JUST AFTER THE 2016 ELECTION. WE WERE NOT VERY HAPPY. WE ESPECIALLY TALKED ABOUT THE 49% OF UNION MEMBERS WHO VOTED FOR TRUMP AND HOW TO GET THEM BACK INTO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. NOW WE HAVE GOT THE CHANCE TO DO THAT, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HE THINKS THE ODDS ARE? HE IS MY GUEST. WELCOME.>>THANK YOU, RONNIE.>>WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO MOBILIZE PEOPLE INTO INTEREST, AFTER THIS ELECTION. I THINK, TRUMP IS THE CATALYST, RIGHT?>>TRUMP IS CERTAINLY THE MAIN CATALYST, I WOULD SAY THAT IS TRUE. PART OF THE CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT WE ARE PAYING A LOT OF ATTENTION TO TRUMP AND THE THINGS HE IS PUTTING ON THE AGENDA, AND SOMETIMES GETTING OUR OWN AGENDA LOST.>>I THINK WE ARE GETTING A LITTLE BETTER ABOUT THAT, I THINK EVERYBODY IS GETTING TIRED. I HOPE BIDEN SHIFTS FROM THE ANTI TRUMP STUFF TO HIMSELF. THE UNIONS, THEY LOST 49% OF THEIR MEMBERS?>>THAT IS WHAT THE STATISTICAL INDICATORS WERE FROM THE LAST TIME. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN THE HIGH 30s, LOW 40s BUT LAST TIME WAS MUCH LARGER.>>THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ENROLLED DEMOCRATS ACROSS THE LINE?>>NOT NECESSARILY. THESE ARE GENERAL ELECTIONS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. MANY OF THEM COULD BE REPUBLICANS. THE ISSUE IS THERE THAT UNIONS NEED TO BE ORGANIZED INTERNALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MEMBERS UNDERSTAND WHAT IS IN THEIR BEST INTEREST WHEN THEY GO TO VOTE POLITICALLY.>>ARE THEY DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT?>>YES, THEY ARE.>>LET’S TALK ABOUT THE LABOR MOVEMENT.>>I ACTUALLY DO FEEL BETTER ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING WITH LABOR. THE SUPREME COURT JANUS DECISION OF A YEAR AND A HALF AGO THAT SAID AMONG PUBLIC EMPLOYEES, IF YOU DID NOT WANT TO BELONG TO THE UNION, YOU ALSO DID NOT HAVE TO PAY BACK THAT PORTION OF WHAT WERE DUES TO SUPPORT THE SERVICES THAT YOU GET. YOU’D WOULD BE ABLE TO BE FREELOADING.>>NO HEALTH INSURANCE FROM THE UNION?>>NO, THEY WOULD GET THE SERVICES BUT NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR REPRESENTATION, ETC. THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET IT ANYWAY. WHAT THE UNIONS HAVE DONE IN MANY PLACES, I CAN’T SPEAK FOR THE REST OF THE COUNTRY, BUT I KNOW IN NEW YORK, PUBLIC EMPLOYEE UNIONS, REALLY THEN WENT TO WORK INTERNALLY, TALKING TO MEMBERS, MAKING SURE THEY KNEW IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO BE MEMBERS OF THE UNION AT THE BEST, OR AT LEAST TO PAY THE FEES NECESSARY TO CARRY THE UNION AND THEY’VE ENDED UP INCREASING THEIR MEMBERSHIP.>>WHY DID THEY TELL THEM IT WAS IMPORTANT?>>IT IS IMPORTANT. UNIONS — IT IS A UNION OF ORGANIZED PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE FOR A PURPOSE WHO SUPPORT EACH OTHER, WHO SUPPORT THE GOALS AND THE NEEDS OF THE MEMBERS.>>IS THIS TRADITION STILL THERE THAT YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH UNIONS, IF YOUR FATHER OR MOTHER WAS IN A UNION — ARE YOU BROUGHT UP WITH THE SAME SPIRIT THAT WE USED TO?>>A LOT OF THAT STILL EXISTS. I DO THINK IT IS UNDENIABLE THAT THE LABOR MOVEMENT HAS LOST MEMBERS SOMETIMES OUT OF NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN BECAUSE BUSINESSES HAVE CLOSED, BUDGET CUTS DECIMATED MEMBERSHIP, BUT THAT THEY HAVE NOT, THEY HAVE PAID A LOT MORE ATTENTION TO POLITICS THAN THEY HAVE TO THE MEMBERS. I THINK THIS SUPREME COURT DECISION JOLTED THEM OUT OF IT, AND I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL, AT LEAST OVER THE LAST YEAR, IN BRINGING BACK MEMBERS. THAT IS WHAT IS NECESSARY. IT IS AN UNDENIABLE FACT — EVEN CONSERVATIVES WILL ADMIT THAT LABOR UNION WORKERS GET PAID BETTER THAN NON-LABOR UNION WORKERS. IT IS A GOOD THING TO HAVE A UNION. IT IS IMPORTANT, BUT THE UNIONS HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE MEMBERS FEEL THAT THEY ARE GETTING WHAT THEY DESERVE, AND I THINK THAT THEY HAVE DONE BETTER AT THAT IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.>>AND IT IS ALSO INVOLVED BECAUSE AS YOU SAID, BUSINESSES ARE CLOSING DOWN, THINGS ARE GETTING TOUGHER, SO YOUR WORK AVAILABILITY IS NOT AS GREAT AND YOUR INCOMES ARE LOWER. THERE WE HAVE IT WITH ALL THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING PEOPLE IN THE OLD SYSTEM.>>THERE IS ANOTHER PROBLEM. THAT IS THAT — WE ALL LOOK AT THE NEW DEAL AND FDR, AND WHAT HE DID TO STRENGTHEN LABOR UNIONS.>>THOSE ARE OLD ENOUGH TO –>>I AM NOT OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW, BUT I READ ABOUT IT. BUT THE WAGNER ACT FROM THE LATE 40s, EARLY 50s, IT DILUTED A LOT OF THAT. IT IS VERY EASY NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, FOR UNIONS THAT WANT TO ORGANIZE THAT THE COMPANIES ARE ABLE TO DEFEAT THEM. THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD. ONE OF THEM IS SOMETHING CALLED CARD CHECK WHERE IF YOU GET MAJORITY OF MEMBERS TO SIGN A CARD, THERE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE AN ELECTION.>>DON’T SOME OF THE CANDIDATES SUPPORT THAT?>>IN TERMS OF DEMOCRATS, PROBABLY ALL OF THEM.>>ALL OF THEM DO, BY NOW. IT USED TO BE A CONTROVERSIAL THING BUT NOW IT IS ACCEPTED.>>SUPPORTING AND GETTING IT DONE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. IN FACT, THERE WAS LEGISLATION IN THE BEGINNING OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, BEFORE THE REPUBLICANS TOOK CONTROL OF BOTH HOUSES, TO DO THAT AND IT NEVER MADE IT THROUGH BECAUSE OF ALL OF THAT RESTRAINING –>>WHICH BRINGS US BACK TO CAMPAIGN-FINANCE.>>CAMPAIGN-FINANCE REFORM HAS ALWAYS –>>BUT UNIONS ARE NOT ALWAYS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, ESPECIALLY THE PACS, RIGHT?>>THEY ARE NOT.>>RIGHT NOW, THEY NEED IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO RESPOND TO THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO USE IT.>>I THINK AND I HAVE ADVOCATED, BOTH IN TERMS OF MY DISCUSSION WITH UNION LEADERS AND THINGS THAT I HAVE WRITTEN, I HAVE ADVOCATED FOR THE UNIONS TO ACTUALLY GET IN THE FOREFRONT OF CAMPAIGN-FINANCE REFORM FOR THIS REASON. THE REAL VALUE OF THE UNIONS IS IN THEIR MEMBERS, NOT IN THEIR MONEY. THE UNIONS SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON CAMPAIGNS, BUT THEY ARE NEVER GOING TO MATCH THE BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT. WHAT THEY DO HAVE THAT NOBODY ELSE CAN MATCH IS MEMBERS. THAT IS WHY I HAVE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT WHAT I CALL INTERNAL ORGANIZING, KEEPING THE MEMBERS ENGAGED AND INVOLVED, GIVING THEM A ROLE, MAKING THEM FEEL THAT THE UNION IS THEIR REPRESENTATIVE.>>THAT IS RIGHT. AS A CANDIDATE, YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS — IF YOU ARE RUNNING FOR THE HOUSE, I DO NOT THINK THEIR CONTRIBUTION MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE, BUT THEIR WORKERS AND ELECTION DAY OPERATION, AND ALL THEIR MEMBERS MAKES IT.>>BECAUSE THE CONTRIBUTION LIMIT IS THE SAME FOR THEM OR ANYBODY ELSE. BUT, NO. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. HAVING THE MEMBERS ORGANIZED AND ACTIVE, AND ENGAGED IS WHAT THE POWER OF THE UNIONS ARE, AND THAT IS WHY THEY SHOULD GET IN FRONT OF IT. MAYBE THEY WILL COME TO THAT CONCLUSION AT SOME POINT, BUT FOR NOW AT THIS STAGE, MAKING SURE THAT THEIR MEMBERS KNOW WHAT THEY WILL GAIN IF ONE SET OF PEOPLE, I THINK THE DEMOCRATS SHOULD BE IN OFFICE, AND WHAT THEY WILL LOSE IF DONALD TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS WILL BE IN OFFICE. MEMBERS SHOULD KNOW THAT SO WE CAN BRING THE 49% DOWN.>>WHAT EVIDENCE DO THEY HAVE THAT HELPS WITH TRUMP?>>I DO NOT THINK THEY HAVE MUCH EVIDENCE AT ALL, UNION MEMBERS OR PEOPLE WHO WORK ARE STARTING TO COME TO THAT CONCLUSION. THE DEMOCRATS — ALL THE CANDIDATES SUPPORT UNIONS. THERE IS NO QUESTION. THERE ARE BASICALLY TWO OF THEM WHO REALLY HAVE LABOR — SPECIFIC LABOR ORIENTED PROPOSALS AND PROGRAMS THAT ARE MORE EXTENSIVE THAN OTHERS AND THAT IS ELIZABETH WARREN AND BERNIE SANDERS.>>THAT IS BECAUSE THEY SEE THE OVERALL ECONOMY. AND THE LACK OF EQUALITY OR LACK OF ANY MODERATION. THEY SAY THE TOP 1%, IT IS LESS THAN 1%.>>1/10 OF 1% IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. IT IS A MESSAGING PROBLEM AS MUCH AS ANYTHING ELSE. MY CONTENTION IS THAT THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES, ALL OF THEM SHOULD FOCUS ON FAMILY INCOME SECURITY, ECONOMIC SECURITY AS THEIR MAJOR ISSUE. RONNIE, WE TALK ABOUT SOMETIMES IT’S PROBLEM FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO FOCUS ON SOCIAL CULTURE, IDENTITY ISSUES, BUT AFTER YEARS OF LOOKING AT THE STUFF AND BEING INVOLVED, THERE IS A SIMPLE THING THAT OCCURRED TO ME. THERE IS REALLY ONE UNIFYING IDENTITY AND THAT UNIFYING IDENTITY IS WORK — EVERYBODY WORKS. OR EVERYBODY WANTS TO WORK. OR EVERBODY NEEDS WORK. THAT TRANSCENDS ALL IDENTITIES. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOUR RACE OR GENDER IS, YOUR GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION, THAT IS WHERE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS TO LOOK BACK TO THEIR NEW DEAL ROUTES, LOOK BACK TO FDR, AND THEY HAVE TO MAKE THAT ISSUE OF INCOME SECURITY GO ACROSS THE BOARD. THERE IS NOT AN ISSUE THAT YOU COULD MENTION THAT I COULD SAY TO YOU IT WOULD SECURE SOMEONE’S INCOME IF IT IS DONE RIGHT.>>CAMPAIGNING IS ALSO EDUCATING PEOPLE.>>YES.>>DO YOU THINK WE ARE BEING SUCCESSFUL OR IS THAT GETTING LOST?>>WE MEANING?>>THE CANDIDATES. I SEPARATE THE CANDIDATES FROM THE PARTY.>>OK.>>I DON’T KNOW HOW MUCH — I AM NOT DOWN ON THE PARTY STRUCTURE, BUT ANYWAY. [LAUGHTER]>>I AM WITH YOU. YES?>>IT IS THEIR ROLE, ISN’T IT?>>IT IS THEIR ROLE. SOME ARE DOING IT BETTER THAN OTHERS. CERTAINLY, ELIZABETH WARREN WITH HER I HAVE A PLAN THING, IT IS NOT LIGHTHEARTED AT ALL, IT IS IMPORTANT. SHE DOES HAVE A PLAN. MOST OF THEM DO THAT. THERE ARE SOME WHO I DO NOT THINK ARE DOING AS WELL. BUT YES, IT IS THE JOB OF THE CANDIDATES. BERNIE SANDERS THIS WEEK PUT OUT A VERY LARGE AND COMPREHENSIVE GREEN NEW DEAL PLAN, AND A VERY LARGE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR STRENGTHENING LABOR UNIONS AND WORKERS. THEY ARE THE SAME THING AND WE WANT THEM TO BE THE SAME THING. THAT IS PART OF THE EDUCATION PROCESS. FOR ME, MESSAGING IS PART OF THE EDUCATION PROCESS. I STILL MAINTAIN THAT THE PARTY AS A WHOLE, AND THE CANDIDATES AS A WHOLE DO NOT HAVE A CONSISTENT MESSAGE THAT APPEALS TO THAT NEED OF PEOPLE TO FEEL THAT THEY ARE SECURE.>>THAT, UNFORTUNATELY, ALWAYS CRYSTALLIZES AT THE CONVENTION. WITH THE PLATFORM. IT LOST ITS SIGNIFICANT. [LAUGHTER]>>AND THEN YOU ARE LEFT WITH TWO MONTHS. THIS PRIMARY HAS STARTED VERY EARLY IT SEEMS TO ME.>>YEAH.>>I THINK OBAMA WAS — A YEAR AGO, THEY WERE NOT.>>MAYBE NOT THAT FAR.>>BUT I JUST WISH THAT WE COULD NOT HAVE THIS — I DO NOT KNOW IF I LIKE THIS NOMINATING SYSTEM. [LAUGHTER]>>I DID NOT LIKE THE OLD ONE WHERE THE COUNTY OF THE BOSSES WOULD GET TOGETHER AND DECIDE EXCEPT THAT THEY HAD SOME VERY GOOD PERCEPTIONS ABOUT WHAT KIND OF A CANDIDATE THEY WANTED OR NEEDED. WHAT DO YOU SAY?>>YOU ARE RIGHT. I DO NOT THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK TO BOSSES, BUT WE DO — IN THE UNION MOVEMENT, WE CALL IT MILITANCY. AND THAT IS NOT A NEGATIVE THING, WE’RE NOT TALKING ABOUT GOING OUT WITH STICKS AND BEATING PEOPLE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HAVING A STRONG AND DIRECTED MILITANT WAY OF ORGANIZING. THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY DOES NOT HAVE THAT VERY WELL. THEY NEED TO DO THAT FOR THEIR CANDIDATES AND FOR THEIR GOOD, AND THEY NEED TO DO IT ACROSS STATES, WE HAVE 50 STATE PARTIES. WE HAVE A NATIONAL PARTY, AND THEY CAN DO SOME THINGS, BUT BASICALLY THE STATE PARTIES HAVE MOST OF THAT POWER. THE REPUBLICANS OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, 25 YEARS NOTICE THAT AND HAVE GONE IN AND STRENGTHEN THEIR PARTIES, AND AS YOU KNOW, GONE OVER AND TAKEN MANY STATE LEGISLATURES.>>AND WE HAVE THE UNEVEN REPRESENTATION. HOWARD DEAN, FOR INSTANCE, WHAT DID HE HAVE?>>STRATEGY IS WHAT HE CALLED IT.>>ORGANIZED THE PARTY WITHIN EACH STATE. I DO NOT THINK WE HAVE DONE THAT YET, AND NOT THAT WELL IN NEW YORK, THAT IS FOR SURE.>>I DON’T SEE THAT BEING PUBLICIZED. IT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS NOT BEING DONE, ALTHOUGH I DID SEE SOMETHING WHERE THE CANDIDATES HAVE BEEN ASKED TO SIGN A PLEDGE TO THE PARTY TO SUPPORT THE STATE PARTIES, AND IF THEY GET ELECTED TO BE PRESIDENT, THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WILL NOT SET UP THEIR OWN PARALLEL AND SEPARATE AUTHORITY. YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT IS GOOD. YOU CANNOT HAVE A HALF DOZEN DIFFERENT –>>YOU HAVE A HALF A DOZEN DIFFERENT GROUPS BECAUSE THE PARTY DOES NOT KNOW WHAT IT WANTS TO DO.>>IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THE PARTY IS GETTING THAT MESSAGE BY ASKING THEM TO SIGN THAT.>>LET’S TALK ABOUT THE OTHER CANDIDATES. WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT JOE BIDEN, BUT LET’S TALK ABOUT CANDIDATE YANG.>>OK.>>HE IS REALLY CONTRIBUTING TO THIS DEBATE.>>HE IS.>>LET’S TALK ABOUT WHY.>>HE IS TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE HAVE NOT TAKEN SERIOUSLY UNTIL NOW AND THAT IS THE REAL THREAT, I THINK IT IS AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT, AND SO DOES SEE, ABOUT AI, ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, AND AUTOMATION. I ACTUALLY WROTE ABOUT THIS IN ONE OF MY CIVIL SERVICE –>>YOU ARE A COLUMNIST AND THEY ARE REALLY GREAT.>>THANK YOU. I ENJOY THEM VERY MUCH.>>AND YOU ARE LUCKY ENOUGH WHEN YOU WANT TO DO IT. WHAT IS THE TITLE?>>”MY TWO CENTS.” WHICH I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A KID — I AM NOT SURE HOW MUCH IT IS WORTH NOW. THE POINT IS — YOU DO NOT DO AWAY WITH ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT YOU DO IS, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CONTROL IT SO THAT IT DOES NOT DISPLACE WORKERS WHO THEN CANNOT WORK. THAT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE BECAUSE THE ULTIMATE END OF THAT — AND THERE ARE A VARIETY OF IDEAS AND HE HAS PUT SOME OF THEM FORWARD AND HAS REALLY MADE THEM SERIOUS. FOR INSTANCE, THERE HAVE BEEN — AND THESE ARE THINKERS. TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT — AI SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A WORKER SO THERE SHOULD BE A PAYROLL TAX. AI SHOULD PAY INTO SOCIAL SECURITY, SO YOU ARE NOT CUTTING AWAY ALL OF THE SUPPORTS FOR THE REAL HUMAN BEINGS. BUT THE NON-HUMAN BEINGS ESSENTIALLY ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE THINGS THAT MAKE — THAT SUPPORT WORK.>>DOES HE TIE THAT INTO HIS $1000 A MONTH CONTRIBUTION?>>HE DOES, YES. YES, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF GUARANTEED INCOME PROGRAM. THAT IS A PART OF YOUR REGULATION OF AI. PEOPLE SAY, THAT IS A SOCIALIST CONCEPT OR COMMUNIST CONCEPT. DO YOU KNOW WHO FIRST TALKED ABOUT GUARANTEED NATIONAL INCOME? RICHARD NIXON.>>YES. THAT IS INTERESTING.>>RICHARD NIXON TALKED ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF DOING AWAY WITH WELFARE PAYMENTS ON A LOCAL LEVEL AND DETERMINING WHAT KIND THAT ADDED UP TO.>>HE DID THAT AFTER MCGOVERN DID THAT.>>HE DID THAT WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT.>>I THOUGHT MCGOVERN WAS THE FIRST WANT TO TALK ABOUT A GUARANTEED INCOME –>>– I DIDN’T REALIZE.>>THAT WAS A BIG THING WHEN HE RAN. HE AFFECTED NIXON.>>YEAH. IT IS JUST A MATTER OF — WE GET OFF ON THESE THINGS. IT IS THIS ISM OR THAT ISM. NO, NO, NO. WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT AND BACK TO THE CANDIDATES NOW IS, HOW THESE ISSUES TIE IN TO HOW THEY AFFECT REAL PEOPLE, AND THEIR ABILITY TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES. WORK IS IT. WORK IS EVERYTHING. WE CANNOT SAY, THERE ARE WINNERS AND LOSERS, LIKE WE HAVE DONE WITH GLOBALIZATION. THERE ARE WINNERS AND LOSERS. I HATE THAT TERM. WHO WANTS TO BE A LOSER AND WHY SHOULD YOU BE A LOSER BECAUSE SOME CORPORATE ENTITY TOOK YOUR JOB AND BROUGHT IT OVERSEAS? THAT DOES NOT MAKE YOU A LOSER. THAT MAKES THE GOVERNMENT, THE GOVERNOR OF SOCIETY, THAT MAKES THEM LAX AND DEFICIENT.>>THAT COLLECTIVE SENSE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE BASIS OF OUR COUNTRY.>>YES.>>YOU DO NOT JUST INDIVIDUALLY DO THINGS. IT IS EVERYTHING — IT IS A MORE HOLISTIC APPROACH THAT WE HAVE LOST TOUCH WITH.>>I THINK THAT IS TRUE.>>YOU AGREE THAT A CAMPAIGN SHOULD BE ABOUT THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE AND NOT ABOUT TRUMP.>>ABSOLUTELY. I ABSOLUTELY THINK WE HAVE PAID TOO MUCH ATTENTION TO HIM. AND IT IS FUNNY BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS WITH PROFESSIONAL HANDLERS WHO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT PR IS AND WHAT MESSAGING IS. YOU ALWAYS WANT TO CONTROL THE MESSAGE. WHO IS CONTROLLING THE MESSAGE HERE? HE IS CONTROLLING THE MESSAGE. YOU NEVER LET THAT HAPPEN. HE WILL, GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY, HE WILL SPILL ALL KINDS OF STUFF OUT THERE THAT YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO? NO, YOU DO NOT WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT. THERE ARE THINGS YOU HAVE TO RESPOND TO. THE WAY CHILDREN ARE TREATED AT THE BORDER, THE GUN CONTROL ISSUE, THOSE ARE ONGOING ISSUES. BUT TO TRY AND OUTDO HIM AND TRY TO RESPOND EVERYTHING IS NOT A GOOD STRATEGY.>>VERY TIRESOME, TOO. AND IT ALWAYS GETS DISTORTED ANYWAY.>>YES.>>THE ELECTION IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE STATES ARE VERY IMPORTANT. AND THERE ARE STATE ELECTIONS, I THINK.>>RIGHT.>>THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES — THE SENATE IS REALLY A KEY, RIGHT? HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THE LACK — HAS THERE BEEN A SHIFT SINCE YOU HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN POLITICIANS THAT HAVE SOME KIND OF BASIC BELIEFS? [LAUGHTER]>>THAT THEY THINK THEY ARE IN THE GOVERNMENT TO HELP ENACT, OR ARE THEY WORRIED ABOUT THEIR NEXT ELECTION?>>THIS IS THE BEST QUESTION. I AM PREPARED TO ANSWER THIS BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN SOMETHING I’VE TALKED ABOUT FOR YEARS. I THINK POLITICS AND PUBLIC SERVICE SHOULD BE A VOCATION. NOT A CAREER. JUST NOW IN THIS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, WE HAVE WITNESSED THIS, WHERE THERE ARE CANDIDATES IN THERE WHO — I DON’T WANT TO SAY THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS — BUT WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER AND IN SOME CASES, THEY ARE THINKING THEY SHOULD, RUNNING IN THEIR STATES FOR AN OPEN SENATE SEAT. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AS — IF YOU DO LOOK AT THIS AS A VOCATION, YOU SAY, I AM NOT GOING TO BE PRESIDENT, BUT THE LEGISLATURE, WHICH NANCY PELOSI, GOD BLESS HER, REMINDS US IS ARTICLE I OF THE CONSTITUTION. THE EXECUTIVE IS ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION. I WOULD BE BETTER TO RUN FOR SENATE, WIN, HELP MY PARTY AND THE POPULATION I CARE ABOUT HAVE THE SENATE ON THEIR SIDE. TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO REDUCE YOUR EGO AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS AN OVERALL VOCATION. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AS A CAREER, THEN YOU SAY, WHERE SHOULD I GO. IF YOU LOOK AT IT AS A VOCATION, THEN YOU SAY, WHAT DO I DO, WHAT DO I DO TO MAKE THE THINGS I CARE ABOUT HAPPEN? IF IT IS NOT HERE, THEN HERE. THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE LACKING IN THE POLITICAL ROUND.>>I DON’T WANT TO TAKE OUR TIME BUT WE HAVE VERY LITTLE — BUT I CAN’T RESIST. IT IS ALMOST LIKE YOU CAN’T LOSE YOUR JOB IF YOU HAVE TAKEN TIME OFF TO HAVE A BABY. YOU HAVE TO COME BACK, RIGHT? I DO NOT KNOW ABOUT JURY DUTY, BUT I DO NOT THINK YOU CAN’T FIRE SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY ARE ON JURY DUTY.>>YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO.>>SO A WORKING PERSON OF WHO HAPPENS TO BE GET ELECTED HAS A FEAR OF NOT GETTING BACK TO THEIR JOB. SO WE HAVE TO UNIONIZE EVERYBODY AND HAVE THOSE — ANYWAY. ARE YOU MORE ENCOURAGED ABOUT THE FUTURE?>>I DON’T KNOW THAT I COULD SAY THAT YET. I WOULD SAY THAT I AM MORE ENCOURAGED THAT PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IS NECESSARY TO ADDRESS FUTURE PROBLEMS. THAT TOOK ME A WHILE TO SAY, BUT THAT IS IMPORTANT IF YOU ARE IN THE PUBLIC POLICY –>>YOU WOULD FULLY SUPPORT BIDEN IF HE WON THE PRIMARY.>>ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD SUPPORT ANY DEMOCRAT WHO WON THE PRIMARY. MY THREE FAVORITE CANDIDATES ARE WARREN, SANDERS, BIDEN IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER.>>YOU HAVE A RADICAL SUGGESTION FOR A TICKET.>>I DID. I THINK IF BIDEN IS GOING TO BE THE ONE, HE SHOULD CHOOSE LIZ WARREN, AND SHE SHOULD ACCEPT AS HIS VICE PRESIDENT. IF HE IS NOT THE CANDIDATE, HOPEFULLY IT WOULD BE WARREN.>>YOU THINK EVENTUALLY WE WILL COME UP WITH A TICKET THAT MAKES SENSE?>>YES.>>YOU THINK WE WILL BE VULNERABLE TO THE INCREASED INTEREST IN THE REPRESENTATION OF ALL DIFFERENT KINDS?>>I THINK WE WILL COME UP WITH A GOOD TICKET, BUT I’M GOING TO DEFINE THE WE DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU ARE ASKING. I AM NOT SURE THE WE IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ESTABLISHMENT. I THINK THE WE IS THE PEOPLE. I DON’T LIKE TO USE THAT TERM, WHAT I AM SEEING IS THAT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE PAYING ATTENTION AND GETTING INVOLVED, AND THAT IS WHAT WE NEED.>>THAT IS WHAT I MEANT WHEN I STARTED. I THINK DONALD TRUMP HAS HELPED BRING ATTENTION TO IT.>>I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT. [LAUGHTER]>>THANK YOU, VINNIE. I AM GOING TO READ YOUR PIECE AND LOOK AT THE CHIEF.>>I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.>>THANKS, VERY MUCH. ♪ [THEME MUSIC] ♪




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