Trump rips new claim against Kavanaugh


HOWARD: FOX NEWS ALERT, “THE NEW YORK TIMES” BEGAN BY DELETING A TASTELESS TWEET BY TWO OF ITS REPORTERS. IT’S AN ODD OPINION SECTION PIECE THAT WAITS UNTIL THE NINTH PARAGRAPH TO DESCRIBE WHAT’S CALLED NEW INFORMATION ABOUT THE ALLEGATIONS BY DEBORAH RAMIREZ, THE WOMAN WHO TOOK SIX DAYS TO ASSESS HER MEMORIES BEFORE TELLING THE NEW YORKER THAT KAVANAUGH EXPOSED HIMSELF TO HER AT A PARTY AT YALE, WHICH HE FLATLY DENIED. THE AUTHORS SAY THEY SPOKE TO SEVEN PEOPLE WHO HEARD ABOUT THE EVENT MANY YEARS AGO, AND THEY PUBLISHED A SECOND ALLEGATION ABOUT ANOTHER DRUNKEN PARTY WHERE KAVANAUGH SUPPOSEDLY PULLED DOWN HIS PANTS, AND FRIENDS PUSHED A WOMAN INTO TOUCHING HIM. THEY TALKED TO TWO OFFICIALS WHO COMMUNICATED WITH THE MAN WHO CLAIMED IT HAPPEN. PRESIDENT TRUMP: NOW THE RADICAL LEFT AND THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA ARE AFTER BRETT KAVANAUGH AGAIN. HE IS AN INNOCENT MAN WHO’S BEEN TREATED HORRIBLY, SUCH LIES ABOUT HIM. THEY WANT TO SCARE HIM INTO TURNING LIBERAL. AND THE PRESIDENT SAID: BRETT KAVANAUGH SHOULD START SUING PEOPLE FOR LIBEL. JOINING US NOW TO ANALYZE THE COVERAGE, BEN DOMENECH, FOUNDER AND PUBLISHER OF THE FEDERALIST, SUSAN FERRECHIO AND GENE ZANO. IS IT FAIR FOR “THE NEW YORK TIMES” TO HAVE THE APPROPRIATORS DROP THIS INTO AN ANALYSIS PIECE, A CHARGE OF THIS MAGNITUDE AGAINST A SITTING SUPREME COURT JUSTICE, WITHOUT THE BACKUP THAT ORDINARILY IS REQUIRED OF A HARD NEWS STORY?>>ABSOLUTELY NOT. THERE’S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT, FRANKLY, THEY LEAVE OUT, THINGS THAT ARE IN SOME CASES INCLUDED IN THE BOOK IN A VERY QUIET WAY. THEY JUST KIND OF GO RIGHT PAST THE POINT THAT YOU MADE IN YOUR OPEN THAT THIS ACCUSER, THE SUPPOSED SECOND ACCUSER IS NOT SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY IS MAKING THIS CLAIM. THIS IS BEING CLAIMED BY SOMEONE ASSOCIATED. THEY ALSO DON’T MAKE CLEAR ABOUT WHO BEN STYIER IS, MAINLY THAT HE AND BRETT KAVANAUGH HAVE BEEN ON OPPOSITE SIDES IN THE PAST, THE CLINTON/LEWINSKY BATTLE WHERE THEY CLEARLY HAD, YOU KNOW, AN EXPERIENCE OF OPPOSITION. THAT’S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN ANY STORY OF THIS MAGNITUDE. HOWARD: IF THE TIMES SAYS THAT A FOREMAN CLASSMATE IS MAKING THIS ALLEGATION ABOUT ANOTHER DRUNKEN PARTY — REMEMBER, THIS IS MORE THAN THREE DECADES AGO — AND HE REFUSES TO TALK AND THEY TALK TO TWO PEOPLE THAT TALKED TO HIM, IS THAT SECONDHAND INFORMATION ENOUGH TO GO WITH?>>IT’S NOT ENOUGH. YOU NEED TWO SOURCES. THE SECOND ALLEGATION IS THE ONE I HAVE THE PROBLEM WITH. THEY SAY THERE IS THIS ALLEGATION, BUT THE PERSON WHO’S MAKING IT WE HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO TALK TO, BUT WE TALKED TO OFFICIALS WHO TALKED TO THIS PERSON. THAT IS NOT ENOUGH TO PRINT IT, PARTICULARLY IN THE NEWSPAPER. IF THERE’S AN EXCERPT FROM A BOOK THAT THEY ARE ADVERTISING ON BEHALF OF THESE REPORTERS STICKING IT INTO THE NEWSPAPER IN THE OPINION SECTION AND USING THAT AS A BASIS TO MAKE THESE ALLEGATIONS, I THINK BOTH OF THOSE THINGS ARE PROBLEMATIC JOURNALISTICALLY. HOWARD: SUSAN, THESE MAY BE LIES, BUT WE DON’T KNOW. IT’S TWO JOURNALISTS REPORTING A BOOK. IS THE PRESIDENT ON SOLID GROUND IN SAYING, FIRST OF ALL, THESE ARE LIES; SECOND OF ALL, THEY ARE TRYING TO INTIMIDATE KAVANAUGH INTO MAKING MORE LIBERAL RULINGSING, AND FINALLY, IN SUGGESTION THAT HE SUE FOR LIBEL?>>WELL, HE’S A PUBLIC FIGURE THE, KAVANAUGH, SO I DON’T KNOW ABOUT I SUING FOR LIE — LIBEL. BUT THE PRESIDENT MAKES A POINT THAT “THE NEW YORK TIMES” IS TRYING TO SAY HE WAS A DRUNKEN SEXUAL OFFENDER IN COLLEGE. IT’S NOT BACKED UP EVEN IN THE BOOK, AND I THINK THAT WHY, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I ARE REPORTERS, WHY DID THEY WRITE THE STORY THIS WAY, MAYBE IT’S SO FAR DOWN IN THE STORY BECAUSE IT’S REALLY NOT BACKED UP BY FACTS, IT’S JUST IMPLIED. CAN YOU REALLY MAKE THAT KIND OF ACCUSATION AGAINST SOMEBODY WITHOUT REAL FACTS, SAYING WITNESSES SAW THIS? IT’S NOT THERE. SO I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY FRAMED IT THAT WAY OTHER THAN TO BACK UP WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS SAYING, WHICH IS THAT THEY WANT TO PORTRAY KAVANAUGH AS SOME KIND OF SEXUAL OFFENDER. HOWARD: I REACHED OUT TO KAVANAUGH FOR COMMENT, HIS TEAM IS DECIDING NOT TO COMMENT FOR NOW. THEY DON’T WANT TO FUEL THIS STORY, ALTHOUGH THE PRESIDENT’S KIND OF DONE THAT FOR THEM. I OBTAINED THE RELEVANT PAGES FROM THIS FORTHCOMING BOOK WHICH IS ” THE EDUCATION OF BRETT CAF NAWMPLEGHT AN INVESTIGATION.” THE WOMAN, THE ALLEGEDDED VICTIM HERE AT THIS LONG-AGO YALE PARTY, SHE IS NAMED, BY THE WAY, ALTHOUGH ACCORDING TO THIS TELLING SHE’S A SEXUAL ASSAULT VICTIM. SHE REFUSED TO DISCUSS THE INCIDENT, THOUGH SEVERAL OF HER FRIENDS SAY SHE DOES NOT RECALL IT. NOW, THAT WAS LEFT OUT OF WHAT “THE NEW YORK TIMES” PUBLISHED TODAY. IF THIS HAPPENED, WOULDN’T SHE BE VERY, VERY LIKELY TO RECALL IT? AND HOW DO YOU LEAVE THAT OUT OF AN ACCOUNT ABOUT A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE? BEN?>>I JUST THINK THIS IS SO IRRESPONSIBLE ON THE PART OF THE TIMES. I MEAN, WE KIND OF SKIPPED PAST ONE OF THE THINGS, THIS WAS NOT A GOOD WEEK FOR “THE NEW YORK TIMES”‘ SOCIAL MEDIA TEAM WHO HAD TO DELETE AND APOLOGIZE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TWEETS. I THINK WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT IS TO BE ESSENTIAL TO BE INCLUDED IN IT, YOU CAN’T JUST, TO SUSAN’S POINT, MAKE THIS KIND OF IMPLICATION, THIS MASSIVE KIND OF CLAIM WITHOUT INCLUDING ALL THE NECESSARY FACTS THAT PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW IN ORDER TO MAKE A FAIR ASSESSMENT OF IT AND TO KNOW WHAT THEY DON’T KNOW ABOUT THE CLAIM AND WHAT DETAILS — HOWARD: THIS WOMAN, I’M NOT GOING TO NAME HER. THE TIMES DOES IDENTIFY HER FOR BY NAME, THE ALLEGED VICTIM HERE WHOSE FRIENDS SAY SHE DOES NOT REMEMBER THIS LONG-AGO INCIDENT, THE BOOK HAS A, QUOTE-UNQUOTE, WRITTEN STATEMENT BY HER. IT’S ABOUT VOUCHING FOR HER FRIEND DEBORAH RAMIREZ, SAYING SHE’S HONEST AND HAS INTEGRITY.>>YEAH. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, AGAIN, IS PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVEN’T HAD THE BENEFIT OF READING THE ENTIRE BOOK. OBVIOUSLY EXCERPTS, WE HAVEN’T READ IT. THE TIMES PULLED OUT SECTIONS OF THIS BOOK WHICH TO ALL OF THESE POINTS IS THE PROBLEM. BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALLEGATIONS THAT ARE UNSUBSTANTIATED. I DO THINK WE HAVE TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE FIRST ALLEGATIONS FOR WHICH THERE ARE APPARENTLY SEVEN PEOPLE CORROBORATING AND THE SECOND FOR WHICH THERE IS NO CORROBORATION. AND TO BEN’S POINT, THE TWEET IS ABSOLUTELY DESPICABLE. TO DESCRIBE, IF IT END HAPPENED, TO DESCRIBE IT AS HARMLESS FUN, TO DO THAT TO A YOUNG WOMAN IS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE. HOWARD: DEBORAH RAMIREZ DID NOT TESTIFY IN THE HEARINGS. THE SEVEN PEOPLE, ACCORDING TO THIS BOOK, SAID THEY HAD HEARD ABOUT IT, BUT THEY’RE NOT EYEWITNESSES. SO I’M LEFT THINKING THEY DON’T HAVE THE CLASSMATE DIRECTLY WHO IS CLAIMING THIS, AND THEY DON’T HAVE AN ON THE RECORD COMMENT FROM THE WOMAN HERSELF AND HER FRIENDS SAY SHE DOESN’T REMEMBER IT. WHAT DO THEY HAVE?>>OKAY. SO IT’S THE WAY YOU PACKAGE THE STORY: YOU WRITE IT AS THOUGH IT’S FACT, AND THEN YOU PUT THE LACK OF FACTS FURTHER DOWN THE STORY WHERE NOBODY READS IT. SO THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION IS THAT IT’S FACT. I WATCHED IT ALL UNFOLD LAST NIGHT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT THIS AS IF IT’S ANOTHER LIKELY TRUE ALLEGATION AGAINST KAVANAUGH BACKED UP BY ZERO FACTS. IT’S CHANGING THE NARRATIVE, AND IT’S REALLY ABOUT THE MEDIA’S OWN ACCOUNTABILITY HERE. ARE WE GOING TO KEEP REPORTING STORIES LIKE THIS BASED ON OUR OWN POLITICAL BIASES? TO TARGET PEOPLE OR SUPPORT PEOPLE DEPENDING ON WHETHER WE LIKE THEM OR HATE THEM? REPORTERS NEED TO WRITE ABOUT FACTS, AND THAT’S WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO HERE. HOWARD: OBVIOUSLY, MANY OF US WILL HAVE MORE TO SAY AFTER WE’VE SEEN THE BOOK. LET ME TURIN NOW TO JOHN — TURN NOW TO JOHN BOLTON, FORMER FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR. HERE’S WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID, HE MADE PRETTY CLEAR IN SPEAKING TO REPORTERS THAT HE WAS UNHAPPY WITH BOLTON.>>HE MADE SOME VERY BIG MISTAKES WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT THE LIBYAN MODEL FOR KIM JONG UN. THAT WAS NOT A GOOD STATEMENT TO MAKE. HE’S SOMEBODY THAT I ACTUALLY HAD A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH, BUT HE WASN’T GETTING ALONG WITH PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION THAT I CONSIDER VERY IMPORTANT. HOWARD: BEN.COM NICHE, THERE’S OBVIOUSLY BEEN — DOMENECH, THERE’S BEEN COMMENTARY ABOUT THIS IS HIS THIRD NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER, ALMOST EVERYBODY IN HIS ORBIT FLAMES OUT EVENTUALLY. HAS THAT OVERSHADOWED THEIR FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCENS ON — DIFFERENCES ON SEVERAL FUNDAMENTAL POLICY ISSUES?>>SOMEONE WILL JOIN THE WHITE HOUSE TEAM AND IMMEDIATELY BE CRITICIZED AS A TERRIBLE CHOICE, YOU KNOW? JOHN BOLTON IS THIS WARMONGER COMING IN — HOWARD: THE WILD MAN.>>HE’S A WILD MAN THAT’S GOING TO LEAD US INTO WAR, AND AS SOON AS HE LEAVES, OH, STRANGE NEW RESPECT. IT’S, OH, NO, HE WAS A STRONG HAND AT THE WHEEL, YOU KNOW? THE NOW THE PRESIDENT’S GOING TO BE EVEN CRAZIER. TO ME, T KIND OF RIDICULOUS. THE PRESIDENT CLEARLY HAS DIFFERENCES WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HE BRINGS AROUND AND ADJUDICATING THOSE DIFFERENCES IS SOMETHING THAT’S VERY IMPORTANT FOR A MANAGERRED TO DO. IN THIS CASE I THINK THE PROBLEM WASN’T JUST THAT JOHN BOLTON DIDN’T SEE EYE TO EYE WITH THE PRESIDENT, IT’S THAT HE HAD A DIFFICULT RELATIONSHIP WITH SECRETARY POMPEO AND WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PRESIDENT’S TEAM, AND THAT MADE THINGS MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT TO FUNCTION. BUT THE WAY THIS WAS DEPICTED WHENEVER SOMEONE LEAVES ALWAYS CRACKS ME UP. HOWARD: IN PARTICULAR, LIBERALS WERE OUTRAGED BY JOHN BOLTON’S APPOINTMENT BECAUSE HE DOES HAVE THIS VERY HAWKISH RECORD AND ALL HE’D SAY ON FOX OVER THE YEARS, AND NOW MANY OF THE SAME LIBERALS ARE SAYING THIS IS A TERRIBLE THING, THAT TRUMP PUSHED HIM OUT.>>YEAH. YOU ALMOST GET WHIPLASH, RIGHT? WHEN HE’S APPOINTED, IT’S BEMOANING THE FACT THAT HE WOULD MAKE THIS APPOINTMENT, SOMEBODY THAT IS SUCH A HAWK, IS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT’S BECOME BEING FIRED BY THE PRESIDENT IS SOMEHOW A HALLMARK THAT YOU HAVE MOVED UP YOUR STATUS OR RETIRING OR RESIGNING, HOWEVER THIS CAME OUT. BUT, YOU KNOW, TO ME, IT’S REALLY NON-STORY. THE STORY HERE SHOULD BE A STORY ABOUT THE IMPACT ON OUR FOREIGN POLICY AND DONALD TRUMP’S APPROACH TO FOREIGN POLICY AND LEADING THE NATION. THAT SHOULD BE THE STORY, NOT THE COMES AND GOINGS OF BOLTON. HOWARD: WELL, IN FAIRNESS, SOME HAVE TRIED TO DEAL WITH THAT. LOOK, THE PRESIDENT HAS A LOT OF TURNOVER IN THIS WHITE HOUSE, FACT. PRESIDENT DOES LIKE TO HIRE TV COMMENTATORS, LARRY KUDLOW FROM CNBC. BUT ON IRAN, ON RUSSIA, ON SYRIA AND, OF COURSE, ON THE AFGHANISTAN SUMMIT AT CAMP DAVID WHICH GOT CANCELED, IT CANNOT HAVE BEEN A SECRET TO DONALD TRUMP.>>I WAS SURPRISED WHEN HE JOINED THE ADMINISTRATION JUST BASED ON WHAT THE PRESIDENT CAMPAIGNED ON; GETTING TROOPS OUT OF AFGHANISTAN, MORE FOCUS ON THE UNITED STATES VERSUS TRYING TO CHANGE THE WORLD ABROAD. I WAS SURPRISED. I DIDN’T THINK HE WOULD LAST LONG, AND I KNEW ONCE THEY GOT TO AFGHANISTAN, THINGS WOULD START TO CLASH. BUT THE PRESIDENT SAID I’M




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