The National for Wednesday, Oct. 16, 2019  — Battle for Quebec, Malcolm Gladwell


(*)>>Adrienne: TONIGHT THE BATTLE FOR QUÉBEC.>>Andrew: HOW THE LEADERS ARE TRYING TO HOLD BACK A SURGING BLOC.>>>AND DOUG FORD FACES THE CAMERAS. HIS RESPONSE TO JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S ELECTION ATTACKS.>>THE GUY LOVES ME OR SOMETHING BECAUSE HE CONSTANTLY MENTIONS ME BY NAME.>>Adrienne: DONALD TRUMP’S TOUGH TALK ON THE KURD OOZE — ONE-TIME ALLIES.>>President Donald Trump: THEY’RE NO ANGELS.>>Adrienne: GRETA THUNBERG IN ALBERTA. WHY HER WELCOME IS NOT SO ROBUST.>>Andrew: AND MALCOLM GLADWELL. THE CANADIAN THINKER HAS THOUGHTS ON THE UPCOMING ELECTION.>>WHAT IF YOU’RE TOLD THAT IT’S A, B, C, D, E OR F, HERE’S WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN — MAKE YOUR CHOICE.>>Andrew: THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.”>>Adrienne: WITH TIME TICKING DOWN, MOMENTUM IS BUILDING IN THIS FEDERAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN.>>Andrew: YEAH, THERE’S FOUR FULL DAYS LEFT TO WIN VOTERS OVER. SO TODAY WAS ABOUT GOING BIG. FOR THE CONSERVATIVES THAT MEANT WADING THROUGH CROWDS IN CAMPAIGN STOPS IN SOUTHWESTERN ONTARIO. THE LIBERALS PICKED UP AN INTERESTING ENDORSEMENT, THE FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA TWEETED HIS SUPPORT FOR JUSTIN TRUDEAU. AND THE N.D.P. WAS LEANING ON A LEGACY IN BATTLEGROUND QUÉBEC. AND, ROSIE, THAT PROVINCE IN PARTICULAR GOT A LOT OF ATTENTION?>>Rosemary: AND IT’S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET ATTENTION, ANDREW INTO MONDAY. RALLIES AND SPEECHES AND HANDSHAKING GOING ON TODAY BY MOST OF THE PARTY LEADERS AND FOR A GOOD REASON. AS EVAN DYER LAYS OUT THERE ARE, AFTER ALL, 78 SEATS AT STAKE AND THE BLOC QUÉBECOIS IS NOW SURGING IN THE POLLS.>>Reporter: IN THE CAMPAIGN TODAY QUÉBEC TOOK CENTRE STAGE BECAUSE THE SEATS IN THIS PROVINCE AREN’T JUST UP FOR GRABS, THEY’RE ALSO MUST-HAVES FOR EITHER LIBERALS OR CONSERVATIVES IF THEY WANT A MAJORITY. THE ORANGE WAVE SAW THE N.D.P. CAPTURE 59 QUÉBEC SEATS. THE WAVE RECEDED IN 2015. BUT 14 NEW DEMOCRATS ARE STILL CLINGING ON. AND IT’S BEEN WIDELY ASSUMED THAT ALMOST ALL OF THOSE 14 SEATS MAY BE LOST THIS TIME AROUND. AND BOTH LIBERALS AND THE CONSERVATIVES NEED TO WIN SOME OF THEM TO HAVE A REAL SHOT AT A MAJORITY.>>[Speaking French]>>Reporter: JAGMEET SINGH HAS WORKED HARD TO OVERCOME QUÉBECERS’ FIRST IMPRESSIONS IN A PROVINCE WHERE MANY RECOIL FROM RELIGIOUS SYMBOLS.>>Jagmeet Singh: I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR IN QUÉBEC THAT, YOU KNOW, DESPITE DIFFERENCES OF APPEARANCES THAT I SHARE THE SAME VALUES.>>Reporter: BUT THE DEBATES ALSO HELPED SINGH, BUT EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY THEY STRENGTHENED THE BLOC QUÉBECOIS.>>[Speaking French]>>Reporter: MANY QUÉBECERS FELT THAT YVES-FRANCOIS BLANCHET WAS THE WINNER. AND TODAY IT WAS CLEAR WHO THE LIBERALS SEE AS THEIR MAIN RIVAL IN THE PROVINCE.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: THE BLOC EXISTS TO FIGHT AGAINST A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT DOESN’T UNDERSTAND QUÉBEC. WE’VE DEMONSTRATED THAT WE AS A TEAM OF QUÉBECERS ARE ALWAYS THERE TO STAND UP FOR QUÉBEC VALUES AND, INDEED, CANADIAN VALUES.>>Reporter: AT A LEGION HALL ON QUÉBEC’S SOUTH SHORE, A REMINDER THAT BLOC SUPPORTERS TEND NOT TO LIKE LIBERALS. BUT IT’S THE CONSERVATIVES WHO WERE ON THE SAME VOTER POOL OF MOSTLY OLDER WHITE FRANCOPHONES, AS ANDREW SCHEER’S EFFORTS HAVE MOSTLY FALLEN FLAT.>>HE IS LIKE THE EVICTED LOVER WHO IS TRYING TO CONVINCE THAT HE’S STILL IN LOVE.>>Reporter: THE BLOC HAS NOT RULED OUT WORKING WITH ANY MINORITY GOVERNMENT ON AN ISSUE-BY-ISSUE BASIS BUT BLANCHET HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT HIS PARTY WON’T HELP SCHEER TO KILL THE CARBON TAX OR TO BUILD PIPELINES. AND IT CERTAINLY WON’T LET HIM PUT AN ENERGY CORRIDOR ACROSS QUÉBEC. “QUÉBECERS,” HE SAID TODAY, “WOULD NEVER FORGIVE US IF WE DID THAT.” EVAN DYER, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>Rosemary: IN ONTARIO THE PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE PREMIER DOUG FORD STEPPED UP TO THE MIKE TODAY FOR THE FIRST TIME IN AN AWFULLY LONG TIME. AS CAMERON MacINTOSH EXPLAINS, HE’S MOSTLY BEEN MISSING IN THIS CAMPAIGN EXCEPT FOR ALL OF THOSE TIMES THAT THE LIBERALS HAVE BROUGHT HIM UP.>>Reporter: REMEMBER THIS GUY? ONTARIO PREMIER DOUG FORD IS KEEPING A LOW PROFILE FOR WEEKS.>>THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND IT’S GREAT TO BE BACK IN KENORA.>>Reporter: BREAKING HIS SILENCE TODAY IN KENORA, ONTARIO, WITH A VERY LOCAL FUNDING ANNOUNCEMENT.>>OUR GOVERNMENT IS INVESTING $3.9 MILLION TO RESURFACE RAILWAY STREET.>>Reporter: NOT EXACTLY A BOMBSHELL. JUSTIN TRUDEAU HAS BEEN INVOKING FORD’S NAME ALL THROUGH THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN, USING HIS TRACK RECORD AS A WARNING TO PROGRESSIVE VOTERS. A QUESTION ABOUT THAT TODAY — THIS FROM FORD.>>THE GUY LOVES ME OR SOMETHING BECAUSE HE CONSTANTLY MENTIONS ME BY NAME.>>Reporter: IN OTHER WORDS, THE PREMIER’S JUST NOT BITING. HERE IN NORTHWESTERN ONTARIO, KENORA AS FAR AWAY AS YOU CAN GET FROM QUEEN’S PARK AND STILL BE IN THE PROVINCE. PREMIER FORD HAS NOT MADE AN OFFICIAL APPEARANCE SINCE SEPTEMBER 17th. FORD’S CONTROVERSIES FOLLOWED HIM HERE.>>FORD’S GOTTA GO!>>Reporter: GREETED BY TEACHERS PROTESTING EDUCATION CUTS, IT’S THE LINK THAT TRUDEAU IS TRYING TO PIN ON SCHEER. IN AN OFTEN FORGOTTEN CORNER OF ONTARIO, THIS IS A SWING SEAT. FORD’S INFLUENCE ON THE FEDERAL VOTE DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK.>>DEFINITELY PREMIER FORD HAS A LOT TO DO WITH MY VOTE.>>YEAH, HE HAS NO BEARING ON MY VOTE AT ALL.>>Reporter: LIKE THE LIBERALS, THE CONSERVATIVES NEED EVERY BIT OF ONTARIO THEY CAN GET. WHILE SCHEER HAS BROUGHT IN THE ALBERTA PREMIER TO CAMPAIGN HERE, FORD HAS NOT BEEN ASKED.>>I TOLD ANDREW SCHEER RIGHT FROM THE GET-GO, I’LL NOT GETTING INVOLVED.>>Reporter: SCHEER ONLY MENTIONS FORD’S NAME WHEN ASKED AND SAID IT’S NOT AN ISSUE FROM HIS CANDIDATES.>>Andrew Scheer: NOT ONCE I HAVE BEEN ASKED WHICH PROVINCIAL CAM POLITICIANS ARE CAMPAIGNING WITH YOU.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: QUEBECERS NEED TO STAND UP TO FIGHT AGAINST THOSE LIKE JASON KENNEY, DOUG FORD.>>Reporter: FORD, MEANWHILE, IS SIMPLY INSISTING HE’S JUST FOCUSING ON GOVERNING ONTARIO. CAMERON MacINTOSH, CBC NEWS, KENORA.>>Rosemary: SO JUST ONE MORE NOTE ON THAT OBAMA ENDORSEMENT TODAY. IT’S RARE FOR A FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT TO ENDORSE A CANADIAN CANDIDATE DURING A FEDERAL ELECTION. IN DOING JUST THAT TODAY, BARACK OBAMA CALLED JUSTIN TRUDEAU A “HARD-WORKING EFFECTIVE LEADER.” AND SAID, “THE WORLD NEEDS HIS PROGRESSIVE LEADERSHIP NOW.” OBAMA HAS DONE THIS KIND OF THING BEFORE. IN 2017, HE BACKED FRENCH PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE EMMANUEL MACRON. WHILE HE WAS STILL IN OFFICE HE ENDORSED GERMAN CHANCELLOR ANGELA MERKEL. BACK THEN TRUDEAU AND OBAMA HAD A CLOSE WORKING RELATIONSHIP AND THEY ALSO MET UP A COUPLE TIMES SINCE. TODAY TRUDEAU THANKED OBAMA.>>Rt. Hon. Justin Trudeau: I APPRECIATE THE KIND WORDS AND I’M WORKING HARD TO KEEP OUR PROGRESS GOING.>>Rosemary: SO WHAT DOES HIS MAIN OPPONENT THINK ABOUT THIS?>>Andrew Scheer: I HAVE MILLIONS OF CANADIANS, LIKE THE ONES HERE TONIGHT, BEHIND ME, AND I’M NOT WORRIED ABOUT WHAT FORMER FOREIGN LEADERS ARE SAYING.>>Rosemary: N.D.P. LEADER JAGMEET SINGH WEIGHED IN AND SAYING THAT HE’S GOT A LOT OF RESPECT FOR OBAMA BUT THIS TIME, QUOTE “HE’S WRONG.” ADRIENNE?>>Adrienne: OKAY, ROSIE.>>>THE CURRENT U.S. PRESIDENT SUFFERED A BLOW TODAY FROM WITHIN HIS OWN RANKS AS CRITICISM MOUNTED AGAINST HIS REMOVAL OF THE TROOPS FROM NORTHERN SYRIA. THE REGION IS SINKING INTO MORE CONFLICT AND THAT COULD HELP ISIS TO RISE FROM THE ASHES. BUT AS STEVEN D’SOUZA TELLS US, DONALD TRUMP SEES A ROSIER PICTURE.>>Reporter: IN NORTHERN SYRIA, THE FIGHTING RAGED ON BETWEEN TURKISH-BACKED FORCES AND THE KURDS. ONCE U.S. ALLIES IN THE FIGHT AGAINST THE ISLAMIC STATE. AND NOW TERRORISTS THEMSELVES, ACCORDING TO DONALD TRUMP.>>President Donald Trump: NOW THE P.K.K., WHICH IS A PART OF THE KURDS AS YOU KNOW, IS PROBABLY WORSE AT TERROR AND MORE OF A TERRORIST THREAT IN MANY WAYS THAN ISIS.>>Reporter: TRUMP TODAY SEEMINGLY WASHED HIS HANDS OF EVENTS THAT HE HIMSELF HELPED TO SET IN MOTION.>>President Donald Trump: I’M NOT GOING TO GET INVOLVED IN A WAR BETWEEN TURKEY AND SYRIA, ESPECIALLY WHEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE KURDS — AND, AGAIN, I SAY THIS WITH GREAT RESPECT — THEY’RE NO ANGELS.>>Reporter: TRUMP HAS SPUN HIS DECISION AS FULFILLING A CAMPAIGN PROMISE TO BRING THE SOLDIERS HOME AND STOP ENDLESS WARS.>>IT SOUNDS VERY MUCH LIKE A RUSSIAN TALKING POINT.>>Reporter: WITH THIS FORMER TURKISH POLITICIAN POINTING OUT THAT THOSE 28 U.S. SOLDIERS WERE KEEPING THE PEACE.>>OF ALL OF WASHINGTON’S INVOLVEMENTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND THIS ONE HAD THE SMALLEST FOOTPRINT. IT COST THE LEAST. AND IT WAS THE MOST EFFECTIVE.>>Reporter: NOW EVEN REPUBLICANS ARE CRITICAL.>>WE’RE ABOUT TO DESTROY THE BEST ALLY WE’VE ON THE GROUND IN THE FIGHT AGAINST ISIS. THAT WOULD BE A DISHONOURABLE ACT.>>THE YEAS ARE 354.>>Reporter: IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, MORE THAN 120 REPUBLICANS JOINED DEMOCRATS IN CONDEMNING TRUMP’S ACTIONS.>>HE WAS SHAKEN UP BY IT.>>Reporter: LATER, DEMOCRATS SAID THEY WALKED OUT OF A FACE-TO-FACE WITH TRUMP, AND CALLING HIM INSULTING WITH NO PLAN TO DEAL WITH THE MESS THAT HE CREATED.>>AND WHAT WE WITNESSED ON THE PART OF THE PRESIDENT WAS A MELTDOWN, SAD TO SAY.>>Reporter: TRUMP RESPONDED WITH A FLURRY OF TWEETS, NOT ABOUT POLICY, BUT ACCUSING THE DEMOCRATS OF HAVING AN UNHINGED MELTDOWN. STEVEN D’SOUZA, CBC NEWS, NEW YORK.>>Adrienne: A LETTER EMERGED TODAY THAT DONALD TRUMP WROTE TO TURKEY’S PRESIDENT RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN ONE WEEK AGO, SEEMINGLY TO DISCOURAGE AN INCURSION INTO SYRIA. NOW AT FIRST PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT IT MIGHT BE FAKE BUT THE WHITE HOUSE CONFIRMED TRUMP REALLY DID TELL ERDOGAN, QUOTE, “LET’S WORK OUT A GOOD DEAL. YOU DON’T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SLAUGHTERING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. AND I DON’T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DESTROYING THE TURKISH ECONOMY, AND I WILL. I HAVE WORKED HARD TO SOLVE SOME OF YOUR PROBLEMS, DON’T LET THE WORLD DOWN.” HE CONCLUDED, “DON’T BE A TOUGH GUY, DON’T BE A FOOL. I WILL CALL YOU LATER.”>>>WE HAVE BREAKING NEWS ON A STORY THAT WE FIRST BROUGHT YOU YESTERDAY. THE NEWLYWED COUPLE DETAINED IN TURKEY SINCE JULY HAS BEEN RELEASED. KATIE NICHOLSON HAS THE LATEST. SO, KATIE, WHAT HAPPENED HERE?>>Reporter: WELL, CBC NEWS HAS CONFIRMED THAT HALEEMA MUSTAFA AND IKAR MAO, THEY’RE HEADING HOME TO CANADA, THEY’VE BEEN RELEASED. AS REPORTED LAST NIGHT, GOVERNMENT SOURCES IN CANADA AND TURKEY TOLD US THAT THE COUPLE HAD BEEN DETAINED SINCE JULY. THEY WERE PICKED UP AT THE TURKISH — AT THE SYRIAN BORDER ON SUSPICION OF TERROR RELATED ACTIVITY. NOW THE CASE WAS DEEMED CONFIDENTIAL WITHIN THE TURKISH COURT SYSTEM. SOURCES NOW TELL US THAT THEY WERE RELEASED TODAY WITHOUT CHARGES.>>Adrienne: ANY IDEA OF HOW THIS HAPPENED?>>Reporter: WELL, IT REALLY APPEARS THAT THIS WAS A CASE OF BAD JUDGMENT. THE COUPLE WAS IN TURKEY FOR A VACATION. THEY DECIDED TO DRIVE TO THE SYRIAN BORDER. THEY WERE IN THE AREA THAT IS KNOWN FOR HUMAN SMUGGLING, AND ALSO IT’S A HOTSPOT FOR FOREIGN FIGHTERS ATTEMPTING TO ENTER SYRIA. AND IT’S THAT DECISION THAT LANDED THEM IN TURKISH CUSTODY FOR THREE MONTHS ON SUSPICION OF TERROR-RELATED ACTIVITIES. AS YOU REPORTED LAST NIGHT, MULTIPLE SOURCES TOLD US THAT THEY WERE NOT ON ANY KIND OF WATCH LIST WHILE IN CANADA. BUT WHILE THEY WERE DETAINED PEOPLE WHO KNEW THE COUPLE CONFIRMED TO US THAT THE RCMP WERE COMING TO THEM AND TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THEY HAD BEEN RADICALIZED. SO TONIGHT WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO FAMILY MEMBERS, TO THE RCMP AND TO THE GOVERNMENT FOR OFFICIAL COMMENT AND SO FAR WE REALLY HAVEN’T HEARD ANYTHING.>>Adrienne: BUT THEY’RE COMING HOME?>>Reporter: THEY ARE COMING HOME.>>Adrienne: OKAY, KATIE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>Reporter: YOU’RE WELCOME.>>Andrew: POLICE HAVE SMASHED AN ALLEGED HUMAN TRAFFICKING RING THAT SPANNED SEVERAL PROVINCES. DURING A YEAR-LONG INVESTIGATION THEY CHARGED 31 SUSPECTS WITH MORE THAN 300 COUNTS RELATED TO TRAFFICKING AND FRAUD. IOANNA ROUMELIOTIS TELLS US HOW THEY CRACKED THE CASE AND SHE SPOKE WITH WOMEN WHO MANAGED TO BREAK AWAY FROM BEING SOLD FOR SEX.>>Reporter: THERE’S NO SOUND ON THIS POLICE VIDEO, BUT THE UGLY STORY BEHIND IT SPEAKS VOLUMES.>>IF SOMEONE IS TELLING YOU THAT THEY LOVE YOU IN THE FIRST COUPLE DAYS AND PRESSURES YOU TO DO SEXUAL THINGS OR THINGS THAT YOU’RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH, THAT IS NOT LOVE AND THAT’S NOT A REAL RELATIONSHIP.>>Reporter: POLICE SAY THAT THE INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING AND BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE AT LEAST 33 OTHER TRAFFICKING VICTIMS CONNECTED TO IT. THEY’RE URGING THEM TO COME FORWARD WITH THE INTENT OF LAYING MORE CHARGES. IOANNA ROUMELIOTIS, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Adrienne: GRETA THUNBERG HAS BROUGHT HER FIGHT FOR CLIMATE ACTION TO THE HEART OF CANADA’S OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY. THE 16-YEAR-OLD SWEDE IS IN ALBERTA, PROMOTING HER VISION FOR A GREENER, CLEANER FUTURE. BUT AS CAROLYN DUNN TELLS US, HER MESSAGE HASN’T WON OVER EVERYONE.>>Reporter: EVEN WHILE TRYING TO KEEP A LOW PROFILE, THE WORLD’S MOST FAMOUS CLIMATE ACTIVIST, GRETA THUNBERG, IS BOUND TO GET NOTICED WALKING IN THE CORPORATE HEART OF CANADA’S ENERGY INDUSTRY. BUT BRINGING HER UNFLINCHING DEMANDS TO ALBERTA IS LAYING BARE HOW POLARIZING THE TEENAGER CAN BE. NOT EVERYONE IS THRILLED TO HAVE HER. LIKE THIS PERSON TELLING HER TO “STAY THE F OUT OF ALBERTA,” #NOTWELCOME. FOR EVERY NEGATIVE –>>SHE SEEMS BRAVE AND FEARLESS AND SEEMS LIKE A PLACE THAT COULD USE SOME OF THE CONVERSATION FOR SURE.>>GRETA THUNBERG IS IN CALGARY AND SHE VISITED DOWNTOWN EARLIER TODAY.>>Reporter: AND SOME CALLERS TO A CBC RADIO SHOW HAD SOME CHOICE WORDS.>>IT’S GREAT WHAT SHE’S DOING BUT SHE HAS TO STOP LAYING THE BLAME ON MY GENERATION AND THE GENERATION BEFORE FOR STEALING HER CHILDHOOD. THE ONLY PERSON STEALING HER CHILDHOOD IS HERSELF.>>Reporter: OIL AND GAS VETERAN DAVE JAGER SAYS THAT THUNBERG’S MESSAGE IS PROBLEMATIC.>>IN THE END IF YOU REMOVE FOSSIL FUEL FROM THE ECONOMY, THE CONCLUSION THAT I CAME TO IS THAT THE CURE IS WORSE THAN THE DISEASE.>>Reporter: BUT THIS E.R. DOCTOR AND CLIMATE ACTIVIST APPLAUDS WHAT SHE’S SAYING.>>SHE IS WAKING PEOPLE UP TO THE FACT THAT IT’S A GREAT PARTY BUT THE PARTY IS GOING TO END AT SOME POINT AND WE’LL HAVE QUITE A HANGOVER.>>Reporter: THERE WAS NEITHER INVITE NOR REQUESTS FOR AN OFFICIAL MEETING WITH THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT.>>I HOLD OUT HOPE THAT ANYBODY WOULD BE WILLING TO LOOK AT THE OBJECTIVE DATA, WHICH IS THAT ALBERTA HAS THE HIGHEST ENVIRONMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS AND LABOUR STANDARDS OF ANY MAJOR ENERGY PRODUCER ON EARTH.>>Reporter: THUNBERG WAS IN CALGARY, REPORTEDLY SHOOTING A VIDEO. ON FRIDAY SHE’LL LEAD A CLIMATE STRIKE AND RALLY OUTSIDE OF THE PROVINCIAL LEGISLATURE IN EDMONTON. HER DEMAND? A NEW, GREEN DEAL, TO TRANSITION TO ALL RENEWABLE ENERGY BY 2030. CAROLYN DUNN, CBC NEWS, CALGARY.>>Adrienne: NEXT ON “THE NATIONAL”…>>>A MILLION DOLLAR DRUG, TOO EXPENSIVE TO BE USED, AND A GROUP OF CANADIAN RESEARCHERS NOW TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO GET THE DRUG TO PATIENTS IN NEED.>>Andrew: PLUS, MALCOLM GLADWELL WEIGHS IN ON THE FEDERAL ELECTION. OUR CONVERSATION COMING UP. (*)>>Andrew: WE HAVE AN UPDATE TO A STORY THAT CBC NEWS BROUGHT YOU LAST FALL. IT WAS ABOUT A MADE-IN-CANADA MEDICAL BREAKTHROUGH. GLYBERA IS THE FIRST GENE THERAPY AND IT’S ALSO EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. A SINGLE DOSE COST $1 MILLION. SO THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY SHELVED IT, BUT AS KELLY CROWE REPORTS, A SCIENTIST WITH THE NATIONAL RESEARCH COUNCIL SAW OUR STORY AND DECIDED TO TAKE ACTION.>>Reporter: 10-YEAR-OLD FELIX LaPOINTE HAS A POTENTIALLY DEADLY GENETIC DISEASE CALLED LIPOPROTEIN LIPASE DEFICIENCY, OR LPLD. HIS BODY LACKS AN IMPORTANT ENZYME THAT BREAKS DOWN FAT IN FOOD.>>[Speaking French]>>Reporter: HIS MOTHER SAID THAT FELIX WENT THROUGH A PERIOD WHERE HE COULDN’T ACCEPT THAT HE HAD THIS ILLNESS AND THERE’S STILL LOTS OF ANXIETY. FOR PEOPLE WITH LPLD, THE FAT MAKES THEIR BLOOD TURN WHITE AND THEY CAN SUFFER DANGEROUS ATTACKS OF PANCREATITIS AND THERE’S NOW CURE BUT THERE USED TO BE A TREATMENT CALLED GLYBERA. IT WAS DEVELOPED BY CANADIAN SCIENTISTS BUT WITH IT WENT IN THE MARKET IN EUROPE PRICED AT $1 MILLION, THE COMPANY ONLY SOLD ONE TREATMENT AND THEN ABANDONED IT FOREVER. LAST NOVEMBER A CBC DOCUMENTARY TOLD THE GLYBERA STORY.>>I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN THIS GO ALL THE WAY AND SEEN THIS AND TO BRING BENEFIT TO PATIENTS ALL OVER THE WORLD.>>Reporter: THE DOCTOR AT THE NATIONAL RESEARCH COUNCIL SAW THAT STORY ON “THE NATIONAL.” IT WAS GOOD TIMING. SHE HAD JUST RECEIVED NEW FEDERAL FUNDING TO DEVELOP AFFORDABLE GENE THERAPIES FOR CANADIANS. GLYBERA SEEMED LIKE AN IDEAL FIRST PROJECT.>>THE GLYBERA STORY WAS RUN ON CBC, AND THAT REALLY GOT US THINKING THAT THIS CAN BE THE FIRST LINEUP OF PROJECTS WHERE WE CAN REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.>>Reporter: SHE IMMEDIATELY CALLED DR. MICHAEL HAYDEN.>>I WAS JUST THRILLED THAT WE COULD DO SOMETHING AS A NATIONAL EFFORT TO ACHIEVE THIS.>>Reporter: NATIONAL RESEARCH COUNCIL SCIENTISTS ALREADY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO MAKE GENE THERAPY DELIVERY SYSTEMS OUTSIDE OF THE TRADITIONAL PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY.>>THESE ARE THERAPIES FOR RARE DISEASES. AND IT’S VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE THEM IN A TYPICAL PHARMA-DRIVEN MODEL BECAUSE THERE’S THE PRICE OF THESE THERAPIES BEING DRIVEN TO ASTRONOMICAL LEVELS.>>Reporter: FOR FELIX LaPOINTE THOUGH IT’S STILL A LONG WAIT FOR TREATMENT.>>[Speaking French]>>Reporter: WE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR 10 YEARS WITH THE DOORS CLOSED WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF SOMETHING THAT IS COMING IS ENCOURAGING. IT WILL TAKE AT LEAST FIVE YEARS BEFORE THE NEW VERSION OF GLYBERA IS READY TO BE TESTED IN PATIENTS. KELLY CROWE, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Adrienne: A QUICK LOOK NOW AT SOME OF THE OTHER STORIES THAT WE’RE FOLLOWING TONIGHT. STARTING IN THE MARITIMES, WHERE THE OFFICIALS ARE PREPARING FOR A POWERFUL STORM THAT IS EXPECTED TO BRING HEAVY RAINS AND WIND GUSTS OF MORE THAN 90 km/h. NOVA SCOTIA POWER HAS ACTIVATED ITS EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTRE AS THE CREWS WORK TO TAKE DOWN TREES WEAKENED BY HURRICANE DORIAN JUST LAST MONTH. A STORM THAT MANY ARE STILL CLEANING UP FROM. THE OFFICIALS SAY THAT A COLLAPSED CRANE IN DOWNTOWN HALIFAX HAS ALSO BEEN SECURED IN ANTICIPATION OF MORE HEAVY WINDS.>>>A MONTH-LONG STRIKE BY GENERAL MOTORS WORKERS IN THE U.S. COULD SOON BE OVER AND THAT MIGHT BE GOOD NEWS FOR THOUSANDS OF LAID OFF AUTO WORKERS HERE IN CANADA. THE STRIKE BY NEARLY 50,000 U.S. WORKERS HAS HALTED WORK AT MORE THAN 30 G.M. FACTORIES ACROSS THAT COUNTRY AND LED TO THOUSANDS OF TEMPORARY LAYOFFS AT PLANTS IN SOUTHERN ONTARIO. TODAY’S TENTATIVE AGREEMENT STILL NEEDS TO BE RATIFIED. G.M. CANADA OFFICIALS SAY THAT SOME CANADIAN WORKERS COULD BE BACK AT WORK AS EARLY AS FRIDAY.>>>AND THE CANADIAN FOOD INSPECTION AGENCY IS BROADENING ITS RECALL OF RAW BEEF AND RAW VEAL PRODUCTS. EARLIER THIS MONTH THE AGENCY ANNOUNCED THAT IT HAD FOUND POSSIBLE E-COLI CONTAMINATION IN SOME PRODUCTS FROM A TORONTO-BASED SLAUGHTERHOUSE. OFFICIALS HAVE NOW ADDED DOZENS MORE RAW BEEF PRODUCTS TO THE RECALL LIST, INCLUDING SEVERAL SOLD AT WALMART, AND OTHER STORES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THERE HAVE BEEN NO REPORTED ILLNESSES.>>Andrew: COMING UP, MALCOLM GLADWELL ON WHY WE’RE SO BAD AT FIGURING OTHER PEOPLE OUT. HOW WELL DO WE KNOW DONALD TRUMP? OR GRETA THUNBERG, FOR THAT MATTER? THAT’S NEXT. (*) (*)>>Andrew: IT’S HARD TO ARGUE THAT WE LIVE IN DIVIDED TIMES — OPINION AND INSTINCT SEEM TO MATTER MORE THAN FACTS AND FIGURES. IT CAN BE HARD TO GET SOME PEOPLE EVEN TO BUDGE FROM THEIR POSITION AND THAT HAS SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES FOR SOCIETY, EVEN DEMOCRACY ITSELF. SO WHAT’S BEHIND THAT? AND CAN WE COUNTER IT? WELL, MALCOLM GLADWELL HAS BUILT A CAREER STUDYING THE HIDDEN PATTERNS IN OUR BEHAVIOUR AND IN A MOMENT YOU’LL HEAR OUR CONVERSATION. BUT, FIRST, A LITTLE BACKGROUND… (*) MALCOLM GLADWELL IS ONE OF THOSE THINKERS THAT EVEN IF YOU DON’T KNOW THE NAME YOU’VE PROBABLY HEARD HIS IDEAS. TAKE THE BROKEN WINDOW THEORY THAT SMALL CRIMES LEAD TO BIG CRIMES.>>SOCIAL PHENOMENON BEHAVE LIKE EPIDEMICS.>>Andrew: GLADWELL WROTE ABOUT IT AND BROUGHT IT INTO THE MAINSTREAM. OR HOW ABOUT THE 10,000 HOUR RULE — HOW LONG IT TAKES TO TRULY MASTER SOMETHING. THAT’S FROM A GLADWELL BOOK TOO. AND HE’S NOT ONLY A BESTSELLING AUTHOR BUT A PODCASTER, A JOURNALIST AND A BIT OF A ROCK STAR. RIGHT NOW HE’S ON TOUR PROMOTING HIS NEW BOOK “TALKING TO STRANGERS.”>>IF YOU TALK ABOUT RACE FIRST WHAT IT ALLOWS US TO DO IS TO NOT DO ANYTHING.>>I DON’T KNOW IF MY MIND WAS CHANGED BUT IT CERTAINLY WAS OPENED.>>GEE, I NEVER THOUGHT OF IT THAT WAY BEFORE.>>THIS ONE IS CALLED “TALKING TO STRANGERS.”>>Andrew: GLADWELL SAYS THAT IT’S HIS ANGRIEST WORK YET, WHERE HE DISSECTS WHY WE ARE SO BAD AT FIGURING OUT OTHER PEOPLE AND YET IT’S SOMETHING THAT WE TEND TO THINK THAT WE’RE QUITE GOOD AT. MAYBE YOU THINK THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT DRIVES SOMEONE LIKE DONALD TRUMP, OR GRETA THUNBERG. OR MAYBE YOU DON’T. I HAD A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN WITH MALCOLM GLADWELL. (*) MALCOLM, VERY NICE TO MEET YOU.>>NICE TO MEET YOU.>>Andrew: THANKS FOR MAKING THE TIME. I KNOW THAT YOU’RE BUSY.>>NOT AT ALL.>>Andrew: SO I READ THE BOOK AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE JOKED ABOUT THE TITLE OF THE BOOK BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE TITLE OF A WONDERFUL SELF-HELP BOOK ABOUT BREAKING THE ICE WITH PEOPLE, THIS KIND OF INTROVERT BIBLE BUT IT’S NOT LIKE THAT.>>NO, IT’S THE ANTI-SELF-HELP BOOK IN SOME WAY. BUT, NO, I SUPPOSE I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF GUILT OVER THE FACT THAT THE TITLE DOESN’T EXACTLY TELEGRAPH PERFECTLY. IT’S A BOOK THAT IS A LITTLE BIT DARK IN PLACES.>>Andrew: SO IN ONE OF THE PAGES YOU SUM IT UP QUITE WELL AND YOU SAY, “THE DEATH OF SANDRA BLAND IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DON’T KNOW HOW TO TALK TO STRANGERS.” CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THAT CASE SORT OF FORMED THE BASIS OF EVERYTHING?>>YEAH. YEAH, THE BOOK BEGINS AND ENDS WITH THIS NOTORIOUS CASE FROM FOUR YEARS AGO, A YOUNG AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMAN NAMED SANDRA BLAND WHO IS IN A SMALL TOWN IN TEXAS FOR A JOB INTERVIEW, SHE GETS PULLED OVER BY A POLICE OFFICER. THEY GET INTO AN ARGUMENT, HE DRAGS HER OUT OF THE CAR, ARRESTS HER. AND SHE COMMITS SUICIDE IN HER CELL THREE DAYS LATER. AND IT’S A HEARTBREAKING STORY ON A MILLION LEVELS. THEY FAILED AT THE TASK OF MAKING EACH OTHER INCOMPREHENSIBLE, PARTICULARLY THE POLICE OFFICER. HE JUST GETS SANDRA BLAND WRONG OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND EACH TIME HE MISUNDERSTANDS HER, THE SITUATION VEERS FURTHER AND FURTHER OUT OF CONTROL. THAT WAS THE MOMENT WHEN I FIRST LISTENED TO THAT VIDEOTAPE WHEN THE IDEA FOR THE BOOK KIND OF CRYSTALLIZED IN MY HEAD. BECAUSE I FELT THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING POWERFULLY CHARACTERISTIC OF THE MOMENT THAT WE’RE LIVING IN WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE’RE SHOUTING AT EACH OTHER AND WE’RE MISUNDERSTANDING WHAT THE OTHER PARTY IS SAYING. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WAY IN WHICH — PARTICULARLY THE COMMUNITIES OF COLOUR IN AMERICA AND LAW ENFORCEMENT HAVE COME INTO VERY SHARP CONFLICT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL GENERATIONS, IT’S BECAUSE OF THAT. IT’S BECAUSE OF A DELIBERATE PRACTISE OF TRAINING POLICE OFFICERS TO BE SUSPICIOUS OF OTHERWISE INNOCENT ACTIVITY. I TALK IN THE BOOK ABOUT PEOPLE PERIODICALLY DO LARGE-SCALE SURVEYS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD AND ASK THEM, DO YOU THINK THAT THERE’S RELIABLE INDICATORS THAT SUSPECT CAN GIVE YOU IN A LINE. AND POLICE OFFICERS WILL SAY, OVERWHELMINGLY, THAT IF SOMEONE IS TALKING TO YOU LIKE THIS… AND THEY’RE KIND OF LIKE — THAT THEY’RE LYING. LOOKING AWAY, JIGGLING WITH THEIR HANDS OR SMILING NERVOUSLY. THERE IS ZERO — ZERO EVIDENCE THAT THIS IS A RELIABLE INDICATOR OF LYING. SO BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A WORLD NOW WHERE WE ARE MORE AND MORE DEALING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE STRANGERS TO US, THEN THE CONSEQUENCES OF OUR ERRORS ARE GREATER. IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT DIGITAL INTERACTIONS WHERE YOU’RE GETTING LITTLE SNIPPETS OF SOMEBODY, THEN YOU’RE IN TROUBLE.>>Andrew: EXCEPT YOU DON’T MENTION SOCIAL MEDIA AT ALL IN THIS BOOK. WHICH SEEMS TO ME LIKE A BIT OF A PECULIAR CHOICE IN A BOOK THAT IS ENTIRELY ABOUT MISUNDERSTANDING STRANGERS.>>WELL, THERE WAS A MOMENT ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AGO DURING ARAB SPRING THAT I ONCE THOUGHT THAT TWITTER WOULD SAVE THE WORLD. DID TWITTER SAVE THE WORLD? NO, TWITTER IS NOT SAVING THE WORLD. I’M NOT EVEN CONVINCED THAT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW WE’LL BE ON FACEBOOK OR TWITTER. I THINK THAT WE’LL GET OVER IT. AND I HONESTLY THINK THAT THE WAY IN WHICH THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HAS USED AND ABUSED THAT MEDIUM IS DOING MORE TO DISCREDIT IT AS A FORM OF COMMUNICATION THAN ANYTHING ELSE. AND THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES I AM CONVINCED WILL NOT TWEET. I THINK THAT SHE WILL USE MUCH MORE –>>Andrew: SHE?>>I THINK THAT IT’S REASONABLE THAT SHE MIGHT BE A WOMAN. I THINK THAT SHE’LL USE MUCH MORE MEANINGFUL FORMS OF INTERACTION WITH THE AMERICAN POPULATION. AND WE’LL BE DELIGHTED WHEN THIS HAPPENS.>>Andrew: OKAY, WELL, NOW YOU’RE INVITING THE FOLLOW-UP WHICH IS TO GET MALCOLM GLADWELL ON RECORD WITH HIS PREDICTION FOR 2020.>>I DON’T HAVE A PREDICTION. I DON’T THINK THAT THE CURRENT OCCUPANT WILL REPEAT AS PRESIDENT. I THINK THAT THERE’S GOING TO BE SOMEBODY NEW. CHANCES ARE THAT SOMEBODY NEW WILL BE — THERE’S A NUMBER OF VERY STRONG FEMALE CANDIDATES. I HAVE A PERSONAL PREFERENCE. I DON’T KNOW WHETHER SHE’LL WIN BUT KAMALA HARRIS, SHE’S — HER FATHER IS JAMAICAN AND MY MOTHER IS JAMAICAN — EMAILED HER FATHER AND SHE SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT’S INTERESTING THAT YOU EMAILED ME BECAUSE WHEN I WENT TO UNIVERSITY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF WEST INDIES, I HAD A PROFESSOR WHO ENCOURAGED ME TO TAKE MATHEMATICS WHICH IS WHY I ENDED UP AS AN ECONOMIST AND HE TEACHES AT STANFORD UNIVERSITY, AND THAT’S KAMALA HARRIS’ FATHER. WHO IS THAT PROFESSOR? MY FATHER.>>Andrew: NO KIDDING?>>YEAH, SO IF SHE WINS THE PRESIDENCY I WANT AM GOING TO MAKE A CLAIM THAT IF HER FATHER HAD NOT MET MY FATHER HE WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN MATHEMATICS AND NOT BECOME AN ECONOMIST AND THAT MEANS THAT HE WOULD NOT HAVE MET KAMALA HARRIS’ MOTHER AND THAT MEANS THAT KAMALA HARRIS WOULD NOT HAVE BECOME PRESIDENT. SO I’LL TAKE GLOBAL FAMILY CREDIT IF THIS HAPPENS. [laughter]>>Andrew: I HAVE TO — SO LET ME BACK UP FOR A SECOND. SO YOU BROUGHT UP DONALD TRUMP. DO YOU THINK THAT WE ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND DONALD TRUMP?>>I THINK THAT IT’S A REASONABLE CONCLUSION THAT HE’S A NARCISSIST. WE KNOW THAT HE DOESN’T REALLY READ THINGS. WE KNOW THAT HE’S PRETTY THIN-SKINNED. HE’S NOT A STRANGER TO US ANYMORE. IN FACT, I HAVE MORE EXPOSURE TO DONALD TRUMP IN THE LAST THREE YEARS THAN MANY MEMBERS OF MY OWN FAMILY. I READ HIS TWEETS EVERY DAY AND I SEE HIM ON THE TELEVISION. I HAVE HEARD HIM NOW SPEAK FOR WHAT MUST BE COMBINED MANY HOURS. SO I DON’T THINK THAT IT’S A STRETCH TO SAY THAT WE HAVE GENUINE INSIGHT INTO HIM.>>Andrew: TO USE THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU USE IN THE BOOK, IS DONALD TRUMP AN EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE WHO IS MATCHED OR –>>HE IS. SO MATCHED THAT IT’S UNBELIEVABLE.>>Andrew: HE IS WHAT HE APPEARS TO BE?>>HE IS WHAT HE APPEARS TO BE. HE TELLS WHAT IS ON HIS MIND. PEOPLE STRESS TOO MUCH THE FACT THAT HE’S DECEITFUL. I DON’T THINK OF HIM AS DECEITFUL. SO IN THE CASE OF THIS MOST RECENT SCANDAL, THE UKRAINIAN THING — EVERYONE ELSE AROUND HIM IS TRYING TO DECEIVE US. HE IS TOTALLY TRANSPARENT. I CALLED THE MAN. HE DOESN’T THINK THAT IT’S A CRIME, RIGHT? AND MOST OF THE CASES IT’S NOT THAT HE’S LYING, IT’S THAT HE GENUINELY DOES NOT SEE WHY WHEN HE IS BEING HIMSELF THAT’S A PROBLEM. PART OF HIS APPEAL IS PRECISELY THAT. HE SEEMS TO BE HIGHLY AUTHENTIC TO THOSE WHO LIKE HIM, AND THAT IS BECAUSE HE IS GENUINELY REPRESENTING THE CONTENTS OF HIS HEART ON HIS FACE.>>Andrew: WHAT IF I FLIP IT — WHAT IF WE TALK ABOUT SOMEONE LIKE GRETA THUNBERG. A VAST NUMBER OF PEOPLE REVERE HER, THINK OF HER AS A HERO. BUT I’D BE WILLING TO WAGER THEY ACTUALLY DON’T KNOW MUCH ABOUT HER. BUT SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE COME TO A SNAP JUDGMENT ABOUT WHO SHE IS, WHAT SHE STANDS FOR AND WHAT SHE WANTS AND WHAT DRIVES HER. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?>>WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT SHE’S, YOU KNOW, SHE’S A TEENAGER. MY GUESS IS THAT SHE’LL BE AROUND FOR A LONG TIME. SO WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO KNOW HER AND TO ADJUST AND TO PERFECT OUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHO SHE IS AND WHAT HER MOTIVES ARE. SO THIS IS A CONSTANT EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO WHEN CONFRONTED WITH A STRANGER. WHICH IS THAT IT’S COMPLETELY FINE TO HAVE AN IMPRESSION, BUT JUST BE WILLING TO UPDATE THAT IMPRESSION AS MORE INFORMATION AND EVIDENCE IS GATHERED. THE WRONG MODEL IS TO DECIDE RIGHT NOW THAT SHE’S EITHER A SAINT OR A FRAUD AND TO STICK TO THAT AND STOP GATHERING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. I CAN POINT TO A THOUSAND DIFFERENT WAYS IN WHICH WE MAKE THAT MISTAKE IN OUR LIVES. WE LOCK OURSELVES INTO A POSITION AND SAY, I MET THAT PERSON, I DON’T TRUST THEM, AND WE WALK AWAY. WELL, YOU CAN’T COME TO AN ACCURATE CONCLUSION WHETHER SOMEONE IS TRUSTWORTHY BASED ON 10 SECONDS OF INTERACTION.>>Andrew: AND THIS IS — I MEAN, TIMELY ADVICE, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A FEDERAL ELECTION WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE MAKING JUDGMENTS. NOT JUST ABOUT THE POLITICAL PARTIES AND ABOUT THE PLATFORMS AND THE POLICIES, BUT ABOUT THE LEADERS. YOU WOULD SAY WHAT TO THEM?>>I WOULD SAY TO CONCENTRATE ON WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN, AND CONCENTRATE ON WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO, AND CONCENTRATE VERY LITTLE ON A PERSONAL ASSESSMENT OF YOUR PARTICULAR BELIEFS ABOUT WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY’RE LIKE.>>Andrew: BECAUSE WE DON’T KNOW THEM.>>YOU DON’T KNOW THEM. AND BECAUSE THAT CAN ONLY MISLEAD YOU. IN FACT, YOU KNOW, IN MY PERFECT WORLD WE WOULD NEVER MEET PERSONALLY SEE THE PEOPLE RUNNING FOR OFFICE. WE WOULD ONLY HEAR THEM. WE WOULD HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THEIR VIEW OF SOCIETY, WHAT THEY THINK OF PROBLEMS AND HOW THEY INTEND TO FIX THOSE PROBLEMS. THAT’S WHAT MATTERS. WHAT IF YOU WERE JUST TOLD THAT IT’S A, B, C, D, E AND F, HERE’S WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN, MAKE YOUR CHOICE.>>Andrew: MALCOLM, WHAT A JOY TO TALK TO YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.>>THANK YOU SO MUCH.>>Andrew: INTERESTING IDEA.>>>OKAY, NEXT ON “THE NATIONAL,” THEY’RE UNDER 18 BUT STILL PLANNING ON CASTING A BALLOT. WATCH MY MEETING WITH A GROUP OF HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS WHO ARE VERY BUSY AHEAD OF THE FEDERAL ELECTION. WE’RE BACK IN TWO. (*)>>Andrew: WELCOME BACK. IN ANY FEDERAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN ONE GROUP THAT TENDS TO GET IGNORED IS HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. GENERALLY THEY’RE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO VOTE BUT THAT DOESN’T MEAN THAT THEY’RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION. IN FACT, RIGHT NOW ACROSS CANADA MANY ARE GEARING UP FOR THEIR OWN VERSION OF THIS FEDERAL ELECTION. I VISITED A CLASS AT MICHAEL POWER ST. JOSEPH HIGH SCHOOL IN TORONTO WHERE POLITICS IS PART OF THE DAILY DISCUSSION. (*)>>OKAY, GUYS, WE’RE GOING TO DO IT HERE.>>Andrew: THE FIRST THING THAT YOU NOTICE WHEN YOU WALK INTO ENRIQUE KUOPBO’S CLASSROOM IS THAT THERE’S NO TEXTBOOKS HERE, NO DATES TO MEMORIZE, NO DEFINITIONS TO LEARN, JUST PLENTY TO TALK ABOUT AND OFTEN POLITICAL AND ALL WITH AN EYE TOWARDS VOTING DAY.>>IT ALL COMES DOWN TO PERSUASIVE AND MANIPULATIVE SOCIAL MEDIA. IT’S EASY TO MANIPULATE A TEENAGER’S BRAIN TO HAVE A POLITICAL STANCE, WHETHER IT BE THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT.>>MAY I PAUSE AT ONE THING — HOW DIFFERENT IS THAT FROM ADULTS?>>THERE DEFINITELY IS ALSO MISINFORMATION BY ADULTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA. LIKE, IF THEY SEE A NEWS STORY THAT CONFIRMS WHAT THEY BELIEVE TO A DEGREE THEY’LL PROBABLY SHARE IT AND THAT REINFORCES THEIR BELIEF. AND THAT’S ACTUALLY IN A WAY MORE DANGEROUS BECAUSE THEY CAN VOTE.>>BUT IT’S DIFFERENT BECAUSE ADULTS HAVE HAD MORE LIFE EXPERIENCE AND MORE TIME TO ACTUALLY TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION IN THE FIRST PLACE.>>Andrew: THAT SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY ENGAGED CLASSROOM?>>THE KIDS ARE VERY ENGAGED.>>Andrew: KUOMBO COULD HAVE RETIRED SOME TIME AGO BUT TEACHING IS WHERE HE FEELS NEEDED. WHAT IS YOUR GOAL?>>TWO WORDS — CRITICAL THINKING. AND I MEAN THAT EMPHATICALLY.>>Andrew: AGAIN, TO BE CLEAR — NONE OF THESE STUDENTS CAN VOTE. BUT BEFORE THEY GAIN THAT RIGHT, THEY NEED TO REALIZE THEIR OWN STRENGTH.>>THERE’S A TREMENDOUS UNDERESTIMATION OF KIDS. I HAVE BEEN HERE 20 YEARS IN HIGH SCHOOL AND I’M OFTENTIMES FLABBERGASTED BY THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS THEY ASK AND THE OBSERVATIONS THEY MAKE.>>Andrew: YOUR NUMBER ONE ISSUE — WHAT DO YOU CARE ABOUT MOST?>>HOUSING AFFORDABILITY.>>CLIMATE CHANGE.>>JOB OPPORTUNITIES.>>Andrew: JOBS, A GREAT THING.>>OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM.>>JOB OPPORTUNITIES.>>Andrew: JOB OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL. CONNOR?>>POLITICAL ACCOUNTABILITY.>>Andrew: POLITICAL ACCOUNTABILITY?>>THE REASON FOR VOTING IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE SOME CHANGE PUT FORWARD BY THE SENATOR WE CHOSE. IF WE WAIT THOSE FOUR YEARS AFTER PUTTING THEM INTO OFFICE AND THEY’RE NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT THEY PROMISE IT MAKES US A BIT CYNICAL, RIGHT?>>Andrew: I SEE SOME NODDING OF HEADS. IS THAT KIND OF REFLECTIVE OF THE WAY THAT YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT POLITICS AND POLITICIANS IN GENERAL?>>I FEEL THAT FOR MOST POLITICIANS THEIR GOAL IS TO WIN OVER AS MANY PEOPLE AS THEY CAN SO THAT THEY CAN BE IN OFFICE. AND THEN THEY IMPLEMENT WHATEVER THEY WANT TO. BUT WITH THAT, THERE COMES A LOT OF LIES.>>THAT’S THE MAIN REASONS THAT STUDENTS DON’T WANT TO VOTER — VOTE OR THEY DON’T WANT TO INCORPORATE THEMSELVES WITHIN POLITICS BECAUSE WE DON’T KNOW HOW TO TELL FACTS FROM FICTION.>>THEY HAVE VERY ASTUTE OBSERVATIONS ABOUT THE PROBLEMS IN SOCIETY. THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT, BUT THEY HAVE ENOUGH ACUMEN, MORE THAN SOME ADULTS, TO SAY WE’VE GOT PROBLEMS.>>Andrew: AND ENCOURAGING STUDENTS TO FLEX THAT MUSCLE IS WHERE KUOMBO REALLY SHINES. SO MUCH SO THAT HE’S NOT ONLY OPENED THEIR EYES BUT ALSO HAS THEM SPREADING THE WORD ABOUT THE VALUE OF VOTING.>>GOOD MORNING. WE’RE HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT STUDENT VOTE 2019.>>Andrew: STUDENT VOTE 2019 IS A CROSS-COUNTRY INITIATIVE THAT ASKS STUDENTS TO CAST MOCK BALLOTS IN THE UPCOMING FEDERAL ELECTION. THE GOAL? ENGAGE YOUNG PEOPLE EARLY. THE TRICKY PART IS GETTING STUDENTS TO TAKE THE VOTE SERIOUSLY. THAT’S BEEN A PROBLEM IN PAST YEARS. SO THIS YEAR A MORE CONCERTED EFFORT TO GIVE THEM TOOLS LIKE POLL TRACKER AND VOTE COMPASS AND TO HAVE THEIR PEERS BE THE ONES DOING THE TEACHING.>>THIS COULD, LIKE, REALLY INFLUENCE YOUR POLITICAL OPINION BECAUSE THEN YOU, LIKE, FINALLY GET AN OPINION AS TO WHAT EACH PARTY OFFERS.>>POLITICS CAN USUALLY BE SEEN AS A MESSY SUBJECT TO TALK ABOUT IN CASUAL CONVERSATION. SO HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS IN CLASS AND HAVING THAT OPEN-MINDED — LIKE, SAFE AREA TO DISCUSS THESE THINGS WITHOUT ANY JUDGMENT OR LESSER AMOUNT OF JUDGMENT, IS A REALLY GOOD PLACE TO START.>>TO ME WHAT MATTERS IS THAT THE SCHOOL THEN BECOMES A BRIDGE FOR THESE KIDS GOING OUT AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A CANADIAN.>>Andrew: AND NOT JUST A CANADIAN, BUT A CANADIAN CITIZEN. BECAUSE, LET’S FACE IT, THE VOTE OF A LIFETIME CAN ONLY BE JUST AROUND THE CORNER.>>Adrienne: STILL AHEAD ON “THE NATIONAL”… THE SUIT THAT MIGHT GO TO THE MOON AS NASA UNVEILS A NEW SPACESUIT PROTOTYPE. THAT IS NEXT. (*) (*)>>Adrienne: WELCOME BACK. MANY ARE WATCHING EUROPE TONIGHT WITH WORD THAT THE UNITED KINGDOM AND THE EUROPEAN UNION COULD BE ON THE VERGE OF A LAST-MINUTE BREXIT DEAL. THE LEADERS OF FRANCE AND GERMANY WEREN’T GIVING DETAILS BUT EXPRESSED SOME OPTIMISM AT A PRESS CONFERENCE. AND IN LONDON CABINET MINISTERS ARRIVED AT NUMBER 10 DOWNING TO BE BRIEFED ON NEGOTIATIONS. A SUMMIT OF E.U. LEADERS, INCLUDING BORIS JOHNSON, IS SET TO BEGIN TOMORROW.>>>A DIFFERENT KIND OF CATWALK TODAY AT NASA HEADQUARTERS IN WASHINGTON, D.C. [Cheers and Applause] SO LOOK AT THAT — THE AGENCY UNVEILED ITS NEXT GENERATION SPACESUITS DESIGNED FOR IMPROVED COMFORT AND MOBILITY. THEY ARE ALSO SUPPOSED TO BE A BETTER FIT FOR EVERYONE, REGARDLESS OF SIZE. AND THAT IS A BIG DEAL. LAST MARCH THE FIRST ALL-FEMALE SPACEWALK HAD TO BE CANCELLED WHEN THERE WASN’T A MEDIUM-SIZED SUIT FOR ASTRONAUT ANN MacLEAN TO WEAR. THE NEW SUITS ARE INTENDED FOR THE ARTEMUS PROGRAMME THAT COULD SEND AMERICANS BACK TO THE MOON BY 2024.>>Andrew: COMING UP, SUITS OF ARMOUR, CROCODILE SKINS AND GOLD DECOR. WE’LL TAKE YOU INSIDE THE SO-CALLED MUSEUM OF CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE. (*)>>Adrienne: EARLIER WE TOLD YOU HOW PRESIDENT TRUMP TOOK HEAT TODAY FROM THE REPUBLICANS OVER SYRIA. THIS WHILE THE DEMOCRATS CONTINUED TO PUSH FOR AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY OVER THE UKRAINE INVESTIGATION. NOW ANTI-CORRUPTION LEADERS IN THAT COUNTRY ARE SPEAKING OUT FROM WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL A FITTING HOME BASE — A MUSEUM OF CORRUPTION. OUR CHRIS BROWN WENT TO SEE WHAT LESSONS IT MIGHT HOLD.>>Reporter: POLITICAL CORRUPTION HAS BEEN SO ENGRAINED IN THE LANDSCAPE OF UKRAINIAN POLITICS THAT THERE’S EVEN A MUSEUM OF CORRUPTION NEAR THE CAPITAL KYIV. IT’S A PALATIAL ESTATE BUILT BY EX-UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT VIKTOR YANUKOVYCH FROM $2 BILLION STOLEN FROM UKRAINE’S TREASURY.>>[speaking foreign language]>>Reporter: YULIA, OUR TOUR GUIDE, SHOWED US THE OVER-THE-TOP, OFTEN GAUDY DECOR, FEATURING SUITS OF ARMOUR, CROCODILE SKINS AND GOLD LEAF EVERYWHERE. MOST OF THE STUFF WAS NEVER USED BEFORE YANUKOVYCH WAS CHASED OUT OF UKRAINE IN 2014.>>SOME PEOPLE ANGRY AND SOME PEOPLE CRY.>>Reporter: A PROMINENT ANTI-CORRUPTION FIGURE SAYS THAT THERE’S A LESSON TO BE LEARNED FROM THIS PLACE AND RUDY GUILIANI’S HUNT IN UKRAINE FOR POLITICAL DIRT ON DONALD TRUMP’S OPPONENT.>>THE UKRAINIAN MUSEUM OF CORRUPTION AND THIS U.S. STORY ARE BOTH ABOUT THE GREY ZONE OF THE POLITICS.>>Reporter: HE HELPED TO REVEAL TRUMP’S FORMER CAMPAIGN MANAGER PAUL MANAFORT ACCEPTED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM CROOKED UKRAINIAN SOURCES AND LESHCHENKO PAID A PRICE FOR THAT. AT THE TIME HE WAS IN THEN PRESIDENT-ELECT’S VOD MERE ZELENSKY’S INNER CIRCLES BUT THE ACCUSATIONS THAT HE WAS PART OF A DEMOCRATIC CONSPIRACY HAD ZELENSKY BUT TO LET HIM GO.>>BECAUSE CONSPIRACY DOES NOT EXIST WITHOUT ENEMIES AND I WAS ONE OF THE TARGETS OF THIS CONSPIRACY.>>Reporter: HE WORRIES THAT THE ALLEGATIONS ABOUT GUILIANI’S ACTIONS WILL HURT THE CAUSE OF CLEANING UP POLITICS HERE.>>OF COURSE IT WAS FOR US A SHOCK. THE U.S. GOVERNMENT WAS SUPPORTIVE FOR ANTI-CORRUPTION INSTITUTIONS IN UKRAINE FOR SO MANY YEARS.>>Reporter: THE CORRUPTION MUSEUM IS TO ENSURE THAT UKRAINIANS NEVER FORGET THE CRIMINALITY OF THEIR FORMER PRESIDENT BUT LESHCHENKO SAYS THAT AMERICANS SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO. ATTENTION TOO.>>WHEN THAT PRESIDENT WAS IN POWER WE HAD NO ONE TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH HE WAS CORRUPT.>>Reporter: NOW HE SAYS THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE POWERFULLY HOW TRUSTING A NATION’S LEADER IS NOT ENOUGH, THEY ALSO HAVE TO BE KEPT UNDER CONTROL. CHRIS BROWN, CBC NEWS, NEAR KYIV.>>Adrienne: STILL AHEAD ON “THE NATIONAL”… AN EMOTIONAL VIDEO URGING CANADIANS TO VOTE. A WINNIPEG WOMAN PROVES JUST HOW POWERFUL ONE VOICE CAN BE. THAT IS OUR “MOMENT” NEXT. (*)>>Andrew: WELL, IF LAST WEEKEND’S BIG SURGE IN THE ADVANCED POLLS ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS ANY INDICATION, MANY CANADIAN VOTERS WANT TO BE HEARD THIS ELECTION. EVEN IF THERE’S LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO FEEL LESS THAN EXCITED ABOUT THEIR OPTIONS. NOW EXACTLY HOW MANY WILL TURN OUT ON ELECTION DAY PROPER REMAINS TO BE SEEN. SOME FOLKS MIGHT BE TOO BUSY, SOME MAY FORGET. MAYBE SOME DON’T BOTHER AT ALL. BUT ONE YOUNG CANADIAN IS EARNING PRAISE FOR MAKING THE TIME WHEN SHE HERSELF HAS SO LITTLE OF IT LEFT. HER STORY IS TONIGHT’S “MOMENT.” THIS ELECTION MARKS MADDISON YETMAN’S FIRST CHANCE TO TAKE PART IN CANADIAN DEMOCRACY AS A REGISTERED VOTER. BUT IT’S ALSO VERY LIKELY HER LAST CHANCE. THIS 18-YEAR-OLD FROM WINNIPEG WAS LIVING A HAPPY ACTIVE LIFE BEFORE A SUDDEN TERMINAL CANCER DIAGNOSIS. YET WITH POSSIBLY JUST DAYS TO LIVE, HER DETERMINATION TO VOTE ONLY GREW. SHE CAST HER BALLOT FROM THE HOSPITAL THIS WEEK AND THEN SHE MADE THIS VIDEO ENCOURAGING OTHERS TO MAKE THE TIME WITH THE #WHATSYOUREXCUSE.>>IF I CAN FIND THE TIME TO VOTE, YOU CAN FIND THE TIME TO VOTE.>>Andrew: IT’S NOW SEEN AND SHARED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TIMES ACROSS SOCIAL MEDIA. ELIZABETH MAY AND JAGMEET SINGH AND JUSTIN TRUDEAU ALL RESPONDED. YETMAN’S UNCLE SPOKE TO CBC ABOUT THE POWER OF HER MESSAGE.>>IT’S VERY IMPORTANT TO HER THAT SHE HAD A CHONS TO VOTE. AND IT STARTED A CONVERSATION. HERE’S A KID WHOSE TIME CAN BE MEASURED IN MINUTES OR HOURS AND SHE TOOK MINUTES OUT OF THERE TO VOTE. AND THERE’S NO EXCUSE FOR EVERYBODY ELSE WHO HAS A LOT MORE TIME TO NOT GET OUT AND VOTE. I THINK THAT IS A MESSAGE THAT RESONATES WITH PEOPLE.>>Andrew: IT’S HARD TO ARGUE WITH THAT. YOU KNOW WHAT, ONE OTHER SENTIMENT THAT HER UNCLE SHARED WITH US IS THAT IT’S SUCH A POWERFUL GESTURE WAS JUST SO SIMPLE ON ITS FACE — THAT IT JUST TOOK A HANDFUL OF WHITE CARDS AND A BLACK MARKER AND A FEW TAKES AND LOTS OF IMPACT.>>Adrienne: AN AMAZING FAMILY AND I HAVE SEEN THIS VIDEO SO MANY TIMES AND I CANNOT STOP IMAGINING WHAT IT IS LIKE FOR HER FAMILY. INSPIRING, HEARTBREAKING, BUT THEY RAISED AN AMAZING KID.>>>THAT IS “THE NATIONAL” FOR OCTOBER 16th. GOODNIGHT.>>Andrew: GOODNIGHT. (*)




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