-Welcome to the show.
-Thank you. And congratulations on,
what is it? Season three now? -Season four.
-Season four of The Good Place. -Mm-hmm. -That’s starting…
That started tonight. -Yes, it’s the final season.
-(cheering and applause) I-I love the premise
of the show, because it’s basically,
like, a… Well, it’s like the afterlife. -Mm-hmm. -And then
some people are in hell, some people are in heaven,
but then some people have been mixed up
on where they should be. Where do you think you would be? The Good Place or… -No, I’m saying, like…
-I’m an actress. (chuckles): I would go
straight to hell where I belong. (laughter) Who makes money this way? Yeah.
(blows raspberry) -You think you’d be in hell?
-Yeah. Where are you going? -Will I see you there?
-Uh… I think I’ll get into heaven
’cause of my mom. I think my mom has prayed enough that they’ll be like,
“Yeah, she’s got a plus-one. Come on in. Come on in.” -That’s probably what it’ll be
for me. -We’ll see. Yeah. (laughs):
But… I like how you’re, like, -you’re waiting for me.
“Oh, Trevor!” -Okay, Trev. Yeah. Um, the show… the show
has been really popular. It’s just, like, got-got
an interesting vibe about it. Like, what the story is.
But you have become really popular on the show
not just because of your character
but because of the backstory. -Because this is
your first acting gig. -Mm-hmm. -You were a teacher.
-Mm-hmm. No, I was a teacher,
then a TV host, -so I used to do what you do.
-Okay. Um, for less money. -Yes. -(laughs): Uh,
and I then moved to America. Didn’t know what I was gonna do.
Thought I’d just be -a writer. -Oh, so you were
getting paid in pounds. -Yeah. -So maybe
it’s more money, but carry on. Well, it is kind of the same now
’cause of the economy. -(laughs): But yeah. -Well,
that’s Brexit, not my fault. -Yes.
-I know. Um, so, I, uh, yeah.
I moved here to be a writer, and I-I got, uh, an agent
based off a script that I wrote, and that same agent
was also representing people -at The Good Place.
-Right. And he said, “We need
a Pakistani, overly tall, annoying Englishwoman.
Off you go.” And I went to the audition,
and I got it. Yeah, but you-you’ve
really connected on the show. You-you have a vibe about you. One thing I’ve heard
a lot of people say– not just from the show, but
in real life– is they go like, -“Jameela is one of the
funniest…” -I’m a bitch? No, they go,
“Jameela’s one of the fu…” I don’t read comments
on YouTube. I’m talking about real life. -People go, “Jameela’s…”
-No, they just say I’m a slut. They go, “Jameela is one
of the funniest people “you will ever meet,
but she is also one of the most, “like, what people would say
‘woke’ people -you will ever meet
at the same time.” -Right. Right? Like,
how did that journey begin? How do you go…
Like, we all grow up -in the world that
we grow up in. Right? -Yeah. I always say to people, like,
I think wokeness is learned. I don’t think anyone just wakes
up, and they’re just, like, -“This is how the world works.”
-Yeah. It’s been a journey for you.
Where did it begin? Uh, I was
probably around 19 years old. That’s when I started activism.
And, uh… Started in activism, rather.
And it’s just been an on– Like, it’s just
an ongoing journey. It’s an upwards– like, it’s
an uphill struggle, I guess. Like, you know, it’s something
that you’re constantly learning, and no one is perfectly woke. No one knows all of the answers. Everything is constantly
updating around us in humanity, -and we need to update
alongside it. -Right. And so I’m just– I call myself
a feminist-in-progress, because I consider myself
never fully formed. And I think
that that helps me know -that I always have more to do,
more to learn -Oh, wow. and I can always be
and do better. -So, you know…
-(cheering and applause) You may– you may refer
to yourself as a feminist-in-in-progress,
but a lot of people see you as a face
of what they would call the body positivity movement. But you don’t see yourself
that way. No. That movement is not for me. That movement was designed
for women who are discriminated against,
like, in-in front of doctors and in our society
because of their size. That-that is a– It’s a must-have movement
for those people. I am slender,
so I’m not discriminated against because of my size.
I actually believe in body liberation
and body neutrality. Like, I-I believe in just
not thinking about your body, and I have the luxury
of being able to do that, because I’m not being constantly
persecuted for my size. So, I am someone who used
to have an eating disorder. I still have
bod-body dysmorphia, and I just manage to get
more things done in my day when I’m not thinking
about my figure. I can’t stand in front
of a mirror and say, “Oh, I love my thighs.
I love my cellulite.” I can just not think about them and think about my bank account
and orgasms, you know? (cheering and applause) Did you say “think about
my bank account and orgasms”? -Yeah.
-WOMAN: Yeah! And, like,
world peace and, like… No, no. It’s just– I just think there’s
a business opportunity here, where you-you sell people
mirrors that don’t show them
themselves– just show you, -like, a bank balance going up
-Yeah. and-and then, like,
their last orgasm. -Let’s do it, man. -We can
just do it. We can make– -We just sell it as an app.
-Yeah. There you go. -You can make a lot of money.
-Yeah. It-it is–
it is interesting that you say -“feminist-in-progress,”
because it does feel -Mm-hmm. like we’re in a world now where
everyone wants to be heard– -rightfully so– but then the
conversations around it -Mm-hmm. can become so visceral
and, you know, like, no one wants to listen in
and around these conversations. You’ve been very quick
to-to just take it. If someone says, “Hey, Jameela,
you didn’t include these people in your conversation”
or “You’ve excluded these people in this conversation,”
you just go, like, “Yes, I’m sorry. I’ll include
them, and then I move on.” Does it ever get tiring
to do that? Or, like-like, how did you
decide to take that approach? No. Like, I only have
the freedom that I have now because other people before me
fought for women of color to be given opportunities that
I’m now able to benefit from. So, no, I never tire
of being corrected if I’m wrong. You know,
I-I have more to learn, and I– and I’m grateful
that people don’t patronize me -and they think that I can take
the criticism. -Right. And I can.
And I think that the thing that we are sometimes searching
for in our society is moral purity, and you’re
just never gonna find that. All you can find is progress
and not perfection. And so that’s what we should
all be striving towards. You know, if we–
if we completely cut people down every time that they show their
ignorance or they make a mistake or they have a mistake
from ten years ago, then people are gonna feel
like there’s no value in learning
or progressing whatsoever because you’re punished forever for the sin
that you no longer stand by. So, you know, if you haven’t
done irrevocable harm, I think you should be allowed
the opportunity to learn and grown
and do better. And, so, you know,
ten years ago, I was… -(applause and cheering)
-Thanks. But… Eight years ago,
seven years ago, ten years ago, I was problematic
in my thinking, and there were loads of things
that I didn’t know -and didn’t understand…
-Right. …and thought
I was right about. And had I been counseled
at that time, I would never have gone on
to become someone who now spends all of their life
fighting for women’s rights and the rights of people
who are marginalized, and who is now being able
to, you know, get Instagram and Facebook to change
their global policies -to protect young people.
-That-that’s a huge thing… So thank God I didn’t get
counselled, ’cause I’m… -Right. That’s a huge thing.
-I got better. -(applause) -Tell-Tell…
But tell us more about that. No, this is… this is really…
This is a really powerful, uh, you know, movement
that you spearheaded, and that was, you got
the social media companies to change how they viewed
what advertising, uh, people were able
to see under the age of 18. Because you-you’ve been
very vocal against, like, people
who advertise, like, -those tummy teas, and the,
uh… -Don’t know what you mean. The tummy teas and the… Like, all those,
like, super diet fads -for people who, like…
-They’re laxatives. They’re all laxatives.
You just shit fire. -That’s it. -Is that what
they are? -(laughter) Mm-hmm. And then,
you don’t shit again for several days afterwards. -And then you need more,
and it’s just bad. -Oh. -Sexy, but it’s bad.
-But I’ve seen it. But the people have, like,
a flat tummy when they do it. -Yeah. -They’ll, like,
have the tea, and they go like, “Look at my tummy,” and then,
like, they have the tea. Yeah, their photoshopped,
surgically-enhanced tummy. (bleep) off. Sorry. -(laughter)
-But… I thought the tea… (applause and cheering) So anyway…
No, but they’re… Unfortunately, there are a lot
of impressionable young people who don’t know
that the tea is a scam. -They don’t know that a lot
of these ideas are scams. -Yes. You went out
to the social media companies, and you said, “It’s your job
to do something.” What are they doing? Uh, so they have
made it impossible for minors…
anyone under the 18… age of 18 to see cosmetic surgery
procedures being sold, or any kind of diet
or detox products. It just will not come up
on your feed. And, uh, if you’re over 18, and you don’t want
to see these things, and you see that people are
selling, like, false claims– -like, “Lose 300 pounds
in five minutes…” -Yes. “if you just drink this,
like…” -I don’t know. Banana.
-Right. That’s like… -Yeah. Like that.
-That would be, like, -a piranha drink. It was, like,
“Drink these piranhas.” -Yeah. -You know, you drink piranhas.
Yeah. -Yeah, you drink piranhas. -You know that. -And they eat
you, and you lose everything. -Yes. -And, so, yeah, exactly.
And so, you can report those, and they get taken down. So Instagram and Facebook,
also– these two, like,
huge corporations– are most importantly,
making a stand against… Because we’ve, like,
hyper-normalized this culture -of celebrities
and influencers… -Yes. …just being able
to sell, like, everything other than heroin
injected into your eyes, freely on the Internet
to their really young followers. And so, what we needed
was the powers that be to say,
“No, we do not accept this.” And, so, I’ve only…
This is just the start of what I’m doing. Like, next,
I’m moving on to legislation, because we need
to get this stuff off the market and away from children. I’m someone
who took these products, and I will never
get my full health back. And so, I’m damned
if this is gonna happen again 20 years later. -(applause and cheering)
-Wow. I think… I think…
I’m gonna see you in heaven. -(laughter)
-I’m just putting it out there. The final season
of The Good Place airs Thursdays at 9:00 p.m. on NBC. Jameela Jamil, everybody.