Does Bernie Debating Warren Help or Hurt Progressives?


Okay, let’s get to audience questions first
one now. Very timely. Next week we have the second set of democratic
2020 primary debates a viewer wants to know. Hey David, does Bernie debating with Warren
in the second debate help or hurt either or both of them. Yeah. So last time Elizabeth Warren was on night
one and Bernie Sanders was on night two. Um, there’s sort of two answers to this question. One is, let’s deal with the specifics. Is it better or worse for Bernie and Warren
to be on the same night, given that they are appealing to a, a, a largely similar wing
of the Democratic Party before we even get to that. Remember, eventually it’s gonna be just one
night. This entire thing of having two nights is
only happening because there are way too many candidates, including a ton of candidates
who have no chance whatsoever. So understand that on the first night, along
with Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, uh, Tim Ryan is going to be on the stage. That guy has zero shot. Marianne Williamson’s going to be on the stage. Amy Klobuchar, Delaney Hickenlooper Bullock. They have no, and the only reason why we’re
even talking about the possibility of them being split up on separate nights is because
there are so many candidates and it’s pushing the debate into two nights that ends after
this debate. They’re going to be on the same debate stage
eventually. So the conversation applies only to one more
debate, but let’s actually play it out. Uh, if they’re appealing to widely the same
a slice of the Democratic Party, are they better off Warren and Bernie by debating on
separate nights and being on each of their respective nights, the sort of prominent progressive
choice or are they better off on the same night in order to create the perception which
is not an inaccurate perception that there are multiple good choices if your priority
is a more progressive candidate, particularly when it comes to the primary economic issues
of inequality and economic fairness and so on and so forth. I believe that they are better off on the
same night. Uh, they are two of the most prominent candidates. If you look at who is in the lead right now,
it’s Biden, Bernie Warren Harris and then is it’s uh, Buddha, judge Biden and Harris
are on night to booted. Judge Warren and Bernie are on night one. And by being there together, my hope is, and
we’ll see if it actually is born out by their performance, that they are going to eclipse
everybody else who is on that stage as clearly being the folks who are the furthest to the
left. And have the specific ideas and understanding
of the issues. Bullock’s going to be a non-factor. Pete booted. Judge is climbing. He’s, he’s just desperate to climb. His polling has gone nowhere. If he wants to be in this thing, he has to
make a move to get closer to the top four candidates. He is going to be trying really hard but he
has a lot of trouble talking about substance. I think Bernie and Warren are going to do
really well in relation to two. Pete, Buddha, judge Delaney and Hickenlooper,
they’re not going to be factors. Uh, Amy Klobuchar often embarrasses herself
and last debate she did terribly. I can’t imagine she’s going to do much Beto
or Rourke imploded in the last debate and he’ll be lucky to avoid any possible gaffes. Tim Ryan looked shellshocked during the entire
last debate. Can’t imagine he’ll do much in Marianne Williamson
has this sort of funny cult following but she doesn’t really have a shot. So Bernie and Sanders being together I think
is going to show how strong the serious detail oriented policy oriented progressive wing
of this primary is. And I think that that’s going to be a really
good thing for them. Assuming of course that the timing and the
spread of the questions is not unfair in some way. Assuming that the format, even though it’s
designed to prevent actually by definition, serious depth on issues allows Bernie and
Warren to really show how much more detail oriented and how much, uh, how much more sophisticated
their understanding a lot of these political political issues is compared to the other
candidates. If the format allows that, if the moderators
allow that to some degree, I think it will be a really good thing for Bernie and Warren
to be up there together. My guesses, you will start to hear discussions
after the next week’s debate, uh, of there should be a Bernie Warren ticket warrantee,
Bernie, Bernie, Warren, Warren, Bernie, whatever your sort of preferences. My expectation is that assuming things go
as they often do with both of them, uh, in their respective debates, that is a conversation
that’s going to be happening. I’m not worried about them being on the same
stage and more importantly, by the third debate, they will be on the same stage because there
won’t be enough candidates to justify to nights.




Comments
  1. They shouldn't debate each other. They should oppose the corrupt together.

  2. Seeing what Warren has succeeded to do while in her post . And the prose of sanders who has passed not one bill over his 20 odd years. . The getting things done especially against wolf bankers. She is the person most hope is pinned on. Also younger. It is an exhausting job . Not so much for 45 he has others to get his sick projects working. He just alienates the World with his comic strip tweets.

  3. Will Bernie/Warren become the VP for the other if one of them makes it through the primary?

    Marianne for sec-ed, kooky teachers are the best and she's whip smart too. A heck of an improvement over Betsy DeVille.

  4. I think it would be a waste of their talents to have either Sanders or Warren as a running mate. The VP should just be some random chump who is (demographically) the opposite of the President. Like Joe Biden.

    Both Sanders and Warren would probably do great as a Secretary in the other's cabinet, though.

  5. My biggest worry at this time is that the "powers that be" want Joe Biden to be the candidate, to get things back to normal (instead of moving forward… which is really important and is clearly what young America wants) So for the democrats (and all American voters frankly) the first victory they need is making sure Biden is NOT the candidate.

  6. The first thing that's got to happen is the demolition of Biden. Without that, then Biden will win. So we needed the strongest people ganging up against him.

  7. I personally believe they should debate. It would be helpful to highlight where Bermie and Warren differ on the issues.

  8. I think Elizabeth Warren should run WITH Bernie Sanders as his vice president! Want proper change in America that helps the 99%? Sanders/Warren backed by justice democrats would be a dream come true.

  9. Make no mistake Warren is not as good as Bernie. She has voted for our crazy defense budget, gave Trump a standing ovation once when he said "America will never be a socialist country", and is being pushed by the Cooperate Media which is an immediate red flag

  10. It will help. Warren has allot of credibility in the intellectual world and Bernie has lots of credibility among working class. When people see how they agree those sectors can merge. I just want to see Warren take down Biden over the bankruptcy bill.

  11. I can't see how it really makes a difference. People have to drop out soon. THAT makes a difference.

  12. It all comes down to trust for me. Who do you trust to unapologetically fight for the policies that they proposed? Which ones will not pivot when it comes to the General?

  13. Having no progressives on the stage to push back against Biden is a bummer. That’s the only reason I’m upset about them being on the same night

  14. David might be wrong about there being just one night at the third and fourth debate. Six candidates already qualified for them. Biden, Sanders, Warren, Harris, Buttigieg and O'Rourke.

    Booker is just a few thousand donors short of making it, he already has enough polls. He will make it.

    Klobuchar has enough polls and it looks like she has a very good shot at getting enough donors.

    Yang and Castro have enough donors and three polls already. So they are just one poll each short.

    That makes ten candidates that will likely qualify.

    On top of that, Steyer already has two polls, so he might get to four. I have no idea if he has a chance to get to 130000 donors. But you kinda can buy that when you spend a lot of money on advertising. Gabbard has one 2% poll and might get enough donors. She might not do it at all, maybe she qualifies for both debates, maybe just for the fourth debate. She has a shot.

    Other then these twelve I don't see anyone else having a chance to make it. Unless someone else massively shines in the second debate, which I also don't expect to happen.

    So, very likely it will be ten to twelve candidates in debate three and four. Still a lot. I honestly hope that they split these debates in two nights again, even if it is "only" ten participants, because I would like more time for every candidate. I don't want to see another debate with ten people on stage after debate two. Currently, a second night is scheduled for debate three, which might get canceled depending on the number of qualifiers.

  15. I hope Bernie and Warren join in attacking Biden. Biden needs to go away he has screwed up this country enough already.

  16. I would vote for a Sanders Warren ticket tomorrow. I’ll never vote for a Biden Harris ticket in my life, nor either of them individually.

  17. Eventually they have to be on the same stage. It may show who the smarter progressive is, or who's a more viable national candidate.

  18. I think if Sanders combined with a mainstream Democrat it would create a much bigger chance of beating Trump for sure.

  19. Of course they need to debate. They need to hammer out their differences. What matters is how they debate each other; the tone towards each other.

  20. I'm hoping this will help decide between these two best choices.
    I've already dismissed the others as not being presidential.

  21. Bernie and Warren on the same stage means they bury the less progressive candidates on the stage.
    The only real risk is that faction of Bernie fans "The Bernie Boys" who don't actually care about the politics, but instead have the toxic agenda of sub-partisanship tribalism among progressives: and they aim to do this by attacking other progressives (mainly Elizabeth Warren). There is nothing any other candidate can do to win them over, they only care that Bernie Sanders wins and wouldn't even care if someone else was better than he was because "Bernie Sanders deserves this, Elizabeth Warren is spoiling it so I hate her." They're not progressives, they're tribalists.

  22. Warren might say that Bernie's plan is good, but that it would be a shock to the economy, and she would offer something less painful than a bandage being ripped off to fix things.

  23. hey look at that, my recommended/up next after the last video of yours was this one, and the one to this is tim pool.

    Did youtube tweak the algorithm?

  24. I would love if in the end of all of this we’d have to choose between Bernie and Sanders. It’s going to be a hard choice. But between those two I’m sure we’ll end up with a solid progressive candidate.

  25. Mariane Wiliamson: “I’m ‘gonna beat Trump with the power of love!”. Look bitch, maybe that kind of stuff happens in your stupid books, but this is the REAL WORLD.

  26. This will help see who is the real progressive among them, time to wake up Warren supporters who cant see the compromise.

  27. David makes an "oopsie" at 3:21 – "Bernie and Sanders being together."

    (If only we can get David together with Pakman in the same room.)

  28. I don't follow this at all. It doesn't matter who's on the stage. This is a solo act. All I know, which is something Maher went after recently, is that we need to GET RID OF THE FREAKING AUDIENCES. All we get are soundbites seeking applause. Harris' pre-planned attack of Biden appealed to the most foolish among us. It was a cheap trick. Get rid of the crowds so we can REALLY hear their positions.

  29. If either Bernie or EW dropped out now, then SQ Joe would be in third or fourth place.

    That being said,
    both Bernie & Warren have strong positives and minuses.

    Bernie – old white guy. Draws the older male demo. That's good.

    He has a progressive agenda. Good.

    Some questonable things in his past. Bad.
    Would be tarred with the "socialist" label by the RW media. Endlessly. Can't you hear it now?

    EW – Obviously a woman. Good & bad, depending on the region and demographics.
    Has progressive agenda and at least a couple of plans…. (that's called "sarcasm")
    Used to be a republican. The RW would love to make hay with that…. Of course, Herr Twitler used to be a Democratic… so????

    EW looks a lot fresher than Bernie. Even though their ages are similar.

    Question: If it becomes obvious that one or the other is not going to make it, will they drop out support each other's candidacy? I.E., would Bernie rally his troops to support EW, and vice versa?

    A Warren/Sanders ticket? Wow! That would require some heavy thought. It might work, but it might backfire.

    The only people who should be on stage now are SQ Joe, Bernie, EW, and Harris. All the others are long long long to no shots!

    The biggest problem is how to stop the DNC/DCCC from screwing the process and cramming SQ Joe into getting the nomination. Can anyone see 2016 repeating all over again?

    And what is it with the AA community? They are flocking to the Delaware Tool like he's the second coming of J.C. They did the same thing with HRC in 2016.

  30. I HOPE if anyone has their mic cut, they SHOUT so loud it embarrasses the sound op into raising the fader.

  31. I'm suspect that both progressives were drawn in night 1. It's proven that who ever goes last gets more consideration.

  32. if warren is running as president or vp, trump is just gonna throw the whole Pocahontas native american thing in her face

  33. I know I will take heat for this, but I would love to see a ticket of Warren/Sanders. This is why I feel this way. Americans need a kick in a better direction, but if the kick is too hard they will only feel the kick, not the reason for it. Bernie is a very hard kick in the direction we need to go. Warren addresses the root of the major problems we have in politics without being a slap in the face. She address the issue of money in politics without sounding like she wants to remake the entire political system. Bernie wants to move the political system further left than warren. Warren wants to correct the system that favors the rich and powerfull over the average person. Bernie wants to give the power to everyone. Unfortunatly, the average person in America has no idea anymore what is best for the country and can only see what would give them the biggest advantage. It will take time to reverse the indoctrination we have received over the past 30 or so years (Reagan +) about what America stands for.

  34. Before watching the video, my answer would be:
    Helps. If one of them starts to attract the progressive vote more than the other and unify it, that's better than having it divided. The sooner leftists unite before the general election, the better.

  35. my guess is that Bernie and Warren will feed off of each other and build a strong progressive case..
    Harris and Booker will knock Biden down another peg..
    5 candidates left..

  36. 2020:Sanders/ Warren
    2024:Sanders/ Warren
    2028:Warren/ Sanders
    2032:Warren/ Sanders
    …16 years of progress

  37. yeah I think that they're socialism word kind of scares people little bit and specially coming from the Republicans when they mention it but I think that's how they kind of got their name in the first place but they didn't call it socialist when it started out they called him communist and now they call him social is cuz I don't know there was some human stuff you know they didn't like about the word communist and just the way it went but yeah I don't know why they call it socialist cuz that there's just what it was before now now that's what it is now but it's not communist at all

  38. Yeah I think after they clear out the rest of them they ought to just say the 13-minute up and one's going to be vice president and the other one is going to be president I mean I think Bernie should be president they should have been last time and Elizabeth Warren she could look at it this way if she don't make president she she could be the first vice president of the United States ever

  39. My thing with Warren is, I like her a lot. She’s right on a lot especially Wall Street but when I imagine her debating Trump she just doesn’t seem tough enough to shut Trump up, cause Trumps a classic bully, but Bernie can be a real bull dog and that is a big deal for me and Bernie debating trump would be AMAZING

  40. Warren is no progressive. She's a neoliberal Democrat with milquetoast quasi-progressive economic policies.

  41. I think people underestimate Marianne but she might have just played herself listening to some consultant telling her the public option is better.

  42. I think they could not have drafted it better. The focus is all on their ideas, while the other night is probably the downfall of Biden.

  43. Surely Bernie and Warren are the most progressive candidates, but Marianne, although she may not have a slight glimpse of a shot, isn't that bad either. Some of her ideas are quite progressive as well. The only issue I have with her is that she doesn't really wanna get rid of private insurance companies and believes that you can have #medicare4all despite that. And she wasn't challenged by any of the moderators who were asking her the question, maybe she would have rethought her position on that. She's not as bad as Beto or Hickenlooper or anyone else who's on stage other than Bernie or Warren.

  44. Easy: vote for whoever gets the nomination.
    Now, cue the Russian trolls posing as concerned progressives trying to convince you that any of these candidates is not immensely better than Individual 1.

  45. Omg. Seeing them together feels right! Bernie running the ship and Warren reigning him in making sure he is on his sh!t , setting her to take over in the future! 👍🇺🇲

  46. A Sanders/Warren ticket would be absolutely losing. Democrats tend to vote for candidates in their 40s and 50s. Matter of fact, I don't believe any Democratic president has been over 60 when inaugurated in their first term. So a ticket where both candidates were well over 60 would certainly lose.

  47. Yang is starting to climb! Don’t rule him out. He just qualified for the September/October debates YangGang2020

  48. How do you think we can afford these social programs while also fighting against strong borders to ensure we dont have a flood of poor low skilled immigrants coming here to mooch off of our safety nets and social programs. Its unsustainable. You can't have both.

  49. Sad most of these comments are about the slip up. Ppl need to grow up. Aside from that this was very concise having seen the video after the debate absolutely on point. Well done 👍🏽 David.

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