#31 The Origins of Communism and Its Tactics | China Unscripted

on this episode of china and comunist tactics of ideological subversion the war against memory and why Mao Zedong was the best communist vagina unscripted I'm Chris Chappell in I'm Matt konista and Shelli won't be with us today sadly but that's okay because we have a fantastic guest joining us today his name is Joshua Phillip he is an award-winning senior investigative reporter at The Epoch Times he has advised military and academic communities on the Chinese Communist Party's unrestricted warfare he's here to talk to us today about communism and the subversion tactics used by China hi Josh welcome yeah thanks for having me so first let's talk about communism like a lot of isms it's hard to nail down a definition of it and in the case of communism I always hear that oh you know that's not real communism China is in a real communist country so for the purposes of this podcast what are you defining as communism I would define communism as what I would say more its original form a lot of people just say the history of communism is very complex and a lot of people don't unfortunately know what that history is when they think of it they usually only think of its surface talking points so things like they think it's like an act just an economic system they think it's about sharing they think it's about destroying capital somewhere getting rid of the the capitalist systems of the West some of them don't have any idea how communism relates to socialism a lot of them don't understand how the various forms of communism interrelate they think Marxism and you know Trotskyism and all that you know or Mao and Maoism they think you know they think it's totally different from the next so if you criticize one form they say oh that wasn't communism that was you know Leninism oh yeah something like this so that unions problem wasn't communism it was Leninism yeah Stalinist oh yeah there you go and so part of my work for the last she's nine eleven years now has been investigating the Chinese Communist Party's use of subversion in the United States this is included on the ground investigations in New York in two front organizations even triads Tong's these kinds of things and through the process of investigating these things I've of course had to go and learn what the heck are they doing how does what does what is the history of what they're doing how does it relate to say Soviet systems how was it how was the Chinese model different from the Soviet model so on and so on going deeper into their ideologies and so basically when we get into the origins of communism some people point to let's say the Paris Commune right was it 86 I can't remember the year 1878 or something like that yeah 1870 was something like we can look right 70 71 1871 yeah so a lot of people point to that is the first time the first real communist system some people of course argue that wasn't real communism naturally but of course if you get into the details of it it was the the jaga bins and you know different factions who kind of joined together to do it it was it was a lot of the same groups or took took part in the French Revolution but by that time the main organizers had already joined ranks with Marx they'd already joined you know his big you know international talks and these things what Marx did was brought together all the different socialist and communist movements we can trace communism itself the word and that the first we mentioned we know of at least to the circle so she al which was one of the main groups that launched the French Revolution he's thinking it goes back to the days of the French Revolution a very much very much so just before Marx if people don't yeah yeah very very much so so why don't we start with this so Leon Trotsky when in his autobiography writes about the origins of communism he says it goes back to right it sounds funny but he says it goes back to you know the League of the just League of outlaws which which had merged in with Marx's you know organizations to form kind of the United comm sorry who are those group site right so let me start from the beginning okay the League of the just sounds kind of like a knock off DC movie starring super guy so Leon Trotsky says it goes back to that before that was um what was it the circle so she Allen it before that was the Carbonari society which he says came from the Illuminism the Illuminati kind of whole movement took place during oh my gosh the Illuminati was behind communism it was part of it as much as I would rather not have that be the case it is unfortunate so just for clarity because Illuminati is like associated with conspiracy theories but there was historically a group that was called the Illuminati or the Illuma lumen ISM there were many of them which which is I think where people get confused in any Illuminati's there were many Louie's Illuminati singular so this is one Illuminati like the Luminato know like you know spaghetti is like singular spaghetti octopi right octopi Illuminati Illuminati so anyway there's a lot of Illuminati mm-hmm so the two main ones so the main one that we can point to that without a doubt had a huge influence if not direct involvement with the French Revolution was the Illuminati of Bavaria and that was under Adam wise hop he did try to launch a revolution the individual carrying the orders to carry out the revolution was struck by lightning and they allegedly found the notes on his body and you know Lauren you know the government launched its investigation he was arrested his cronies were arrested soos hates communism other factions involved people say the Carbonari were part of it the Carbonari that they were it was a charcoal-burner kind of association that had brought in some kind of weird cult type stuff and their history is very weird so you're saying communism ties back to the Illuminati and the occult basically so we're back now in like the 1790s this is late 1780s like 1750s yeah okay because eventual revolution started 1789 correct but these groups had already been like working since the 1750s yeah well the important thing to know is that when it came to the French Revolution and kind of the birth of communism communism doesn't have a single origin from what I've researched there were many many groups and many many different kind of ideologies that merged into it many origins blended together like the Starbucks Pike Place roasts capitalist okay that's an analogy so the Illuminati of Bavaria so because it was investigated because the individuals involved were arrested you can still read their documents actually their stuffs all public Adam wise hopped had his system was actually extremely extremely close to Marx if you read what he taught it was extremely extremely close to Marx in terms of like state production in controlling the means of production in terms of that but you know they had different forms of it there was there were different tiers and you would be you would be able to learn say the real mode of his only as he got closer to the center like Scientology Scientology yeah but you know just like communism a lot of the people on the outer tiers thought they were joining a religious like Christian type just organization they thought they were getting involved with something that was for the good of humanity wait so you know communism originally was pitched as a religious type spiritual movement it was there were different factions yes one of them some of them did but I'm not getting into that yet okay that's crazy because in the Marx and Engels communist manifesto that they specifically talked about destroying religion right so that that's more that comes a little bit later I can get into that specifically I was talking about just now was you know Adam wise up Adam Weishaupt was raised by Jesuits he kind of rebelled against the Jesuit system but he did incorporate kind of their militant stance in accomplishing their goals he's sort of 17 hundreds yeah I seventeen hundred's what he talked about was just like marks this idea of the stages of society you know starting with premium kind of primitive communism ending with this kind of utopian view of returning to the stage evolution to how society progresses kinda they didn't they didn't have I mean Darwin didn't didn't come out until like a century after that I guess Martin when Marx came out and Marx did use Darwin but he did not base it on Darwin there were letters exchanged between Marx and Engels talking about hey this guy just came out and we can use this to give a scientific backing to our theories of social evolution okay you know so they they used our when they posted pictures of Marx and Darwin you know like you know drawn together all over Europe and stuff like that they used him as kind of the scientific base for communism so what you're basically saying is before marx and engels there was basically a bunch of like proto communist ideologies and philosophies that existed that were involved in the French Revolution and various other attempts to overthrow social orders that Marx one day would later what coalesce into a single well there was a direct line to it so Adam wise Hobbes ideas were kind of brought into the circle so she al there were other groups brought into it you had all these enlightened thinkers like Voltaire and Rousseau who introduced some other concepts wait Voltaire was a commie Volterra's ideas had a huge influence on communism yes interesting if you read Voltaire's letters his letters of what he actually intended to do were much different than what he writes and you know his surface book okay cuz I've read some of his like satire yeah and it's funny yeah you probably don't think so well Voltaire his biggest thing was he hated Christianity he hated Catholicism which I mean you have to understand the social environment at the time that basically okay you know the Catholic Church was kind of one of the governing bodies of Europe the the the you know the Inquisition was still taking place in Spain Nino's was a very different environment from what we understand now and so a lot of the Revolutionists during that time viewed religion as being also a part of government which they sought to overthrow okay so they like some of them just hated their religion and that led them into these communist type of organizations well yeah but when you get into the groups like the circle so she had some really freaky individuals in there like there were some who I think actually did have more lofty ideas there were some who probably did have better meaning intentions and there were some who were just like totally sick in the head the guy who first came up with the word communism his nickname was the pornographer and he based the idea on like it sounds crazy but it was like theory of like universal animal sexuality and stuff with the guy was the guy was one of the sickest little dudes you'll ever read I researched his stuff Africa reads know stuff he was obsessed with like incest and all kinds of freaky stuff you name that he was into it and he envisioned this system of like prostitue prostitute system as being a system of governance basically the government of the brothel is his whole vision how would that work but basically now the during the French Revolution had these groups come in you have the G or deans you had the mountain yards you had groups who took in these are these ideas of Greek democracy of Greek republicanism right who all joined together and then you have this kind of enlightened thinkers who were actively trying to destroy religion who wanted to destroy tradition who wanted to wipe out everything that once existed you had a cult groups involved in it who are a lot of bulls from all agnostic beliefs mainly like Kay Knight type stuff which means like naturism but naturism is being different from the way we would understand it like during the Roman Empire like with the story you know stoic mean how how do we understand naturism so I this is my kind of analysis I'd break naturism down into three three categories one would be like the kind of what I would say the good system while the two good systems I'd say which would be like the kind of ancient Romans / Greek view and the Chinese view naturism according to the Chinese theory would be more like Taoism that the enders the belief that the universe itself has a natural order to it and that abiding by this natural order is itself of a positive way of living so this is sort of like Japanese Shintoism or some of the Native American folk and so then if you get into say Marcus Aurelius you know a pict it is these guys they also talked about nature and living in accordance with nature that you know the one of the ideas of virtue was you know when we talk about say the founding fathers right the pursuit of happiness and things like that virtue and Happiness we're kind of the same concept in ancient Greece and so a lot of people who studied the you know the classics a lot of classical education was based in this would kind of have this idea that virtue in the practice of virtue and following what following what is natural and that you know so Aristotle's entire ethics was based on this idea of what truly makes a person happy that there is joys of the body and there are joys of the soul and the joys of the soul are the things that are not tied to say you know over over emphasis on physical pleasure that the joys of the body are damaging to the joys of the soul and so you know the old stoic mentality also was like understanding that life is temporary and to be unmoved by the trials in life do to look within when encountering hardships was actually like a part of say finding happiness so when they talked about naturism it was very similar to the Taoist concept of naturism but when he get into the old Gnostic systems no there was kind of a weird cultural phenomenon that took place in France around this time and I mean and there's a lot of weird groups tied into it I mentioned the Illuminati but very one thing they did was is they got into the Freemason lodges and they created additional tiers the tops of them contrary to what a lot of people think it was not all of the Masons involved in this they I think a lot of the I mean who knows these days and maybe they are old I have no idea but listening like like this is is or Clete Roux like people like it is known that there was a group the Illuminati of Bavaria and they did try to influence the Masons this is not the you know 4chan Illuminati internet you can go read their letters and documents it's all publicly available so even when I researched this I did not go through any modern books if I did use a modern book I traced their sources and read their sources I don't like basing my understandings on other people's takes on history because I base all my understandings on fortune so you know there are a few different lodges there was a the Grand Orient the Scottish Rite you know these these groups know not all of them were involved in this from what I get the grandeur into the Scottish Rite where the two main ones involved whereas the the English Lodge was not involved in the idea of the American lodges were at the time-released were not involved so I just just you know for clarity here so we're going back this is before the French Revolution correct so like sort of mid 1700s you've got all these groups that are starting to come together and like influence each other come up with sort of put their sort of proto communist ideas together is that basically it what they did was is they took there was there was a kind of system in vogue in France that you know people wanted to hear whatever belief you could find from whatever country you could find it in they wanted to hear every theory from every part of the world they wanted to look into you know mysticism and magic and all these things sounds like the u.s. in the 60s yeah well you know in the u.s. there was a big movement to around like the 30s and stuff late 18-hundreds to like the 30s that were into this too but you know in Europe this was a real big thing it was you know mysticism and hermeticism and all these things are alternatives to both the mainstream Western cultural yeah because at the time there was a social you know any kind of social revolt was not just against the kings of Europe but also against the Catholic Church and so they were all looking to kind of build their own beliefs I see because like they didn't like the the sort of level of governance and social control by the Catholic Church so they're also kind of rejecting the belief system behind that correct yeah and I mean I shouldn't be clear to you I don't have anything against the Catholic Church I'm just talking about history and kind of what I've read on these individuals and what they believed in right Voltaire was extremely extremely say vile towards the idea of the Catholic Church which was Barba's fascination with China I know that he used China as an example oh look this is a thriving civilization that is based off infusion ISM has nothing to do with Christianity and it functions so therefore Christianity is not a something fundamental to a civilization yeah I agree with that I think the ancient Chinese model was great it didn't have government below county level you know yet we had a strong culture of allowing people to choose how they lived their lives while at the same time maintaining a system of social order I think it was fair for them to look at that and you know of all so they were into this whole naturist idea but I should get back into the idea of naturism so naturism in accordance what they came up with during the Enlightenment was a new idea and it brought together a lot of you know there were a lot of different cult groups that you know the church was fighting against there I don't want to get into this whole history go on all day if we try to get into all this but you know there were different gnostic sects there were witchcraft groups so there were all kinds of crazy stuff and you know of course we know that the Inquisition was targeting these groups they were sometimes tens of thousands of them you know large large numbers it was it was it was very prominent in Europe at that time and what they came up with is an idea of naturism based on the idea that so nature itself is holy and so anything that arises from human nature is therefore righteous and because of that anything that restrains human nature nature is therefore righteous and so moral restraints cultural systems beliefs traditions they wanted to destroy all of these because they believed that by destroying them they would remove restraints on human nature and allow unrestrained the human nature to again align with this whole idea of naturism as they envisioned it okay so you mean they're saying that restraints on human nature were unrighteous according to that according to this and I mean if you want to get technical this is actually a you know satanic Luciferian my life I've kind of gotten to these well I mean that's that's jumping pretty deep into it yeah well that's the basis of a lot that's the basis of the whole Luciferian concept you know yeah I mean and I don't I don't want you to sound like Alex Jones here so like because you mentioned Luciferian like I think no but I think that this deserves an explanation because presumably this is not just you describing it this way but based on on something right go read about the K Knights I mean I mean you can look at the well I don't necessarily recommend this but if you go to the Church of Satan's website they're like their version of the Ten Commandment what you have said that you know that anything that restricts well what is a human anything that restricts human human desires or human you know nature essentially right is its own and so that this this idea of naturism is they saw it was incomparably different to the way the ancient Greeks and Romans and the ancient Chinese viewed it you know more like the Taoist system and so you have these groups come together and launch a revolution their revolution the French Revolution was a mess I mean really and I think that's why a lot of people can't understand it the biggest part that I think stands out from most people is the reign of terror when he had the guillotine you know chopping people's heads off 24/7 which they saw is like this new humane way to kill people yeah at the time you didn't know that the head stays alive but beyond the killings the French Revolution also sought to radically change the culture of France and so this is this is I think the way we should understand it in relation to say the American Revolution the the American Revolution was was a overthrow of a government they did not believe represented the you know rights of the people that they believed had become a system that was persecuting you know the people that was there was tyrannical and so they sought to create a new system which which had the belief that the individual is imbued with a certain right that that individuals if left to be able to choose for themselves how they lived their lives to govern themselves to form communities and to come together to build the things they need as they need them that they would be able to build a prosperous society and to keep in mind people argue a slaver Easler was brought here by the British let's be clear on that you know and then by the Portuguese and you know Spaniards so roughly what you're saying is that like the forces behind the French Revolution or they wanted to break from the traditional social order they were very they were talking about something very different than what the American Founding Fathers did even though they also were breaking eight existence right but I mean what I understand about the French aristocracy at the time ahead of the French Revolution is that had become very wasteful and very corrupt very disconnected from the the lives in the needs of the average French citizen that was the way it was framed but in and that is only because it's understood that way historically because a lot of the newspapers at the time were controlled by these movements if you look at the you know who are running the or these newspapers almost all these movements ran their own newspapers and they also promoted a lot of disinformation in the society I mean also history is usually written by the winners yeah just like you know in America we have our version of the great founding fathers and if you know you ask you know one of my friends from the UK I asked him about it he's like oh yeah I mean we just that was you know that was the year we lost America like no big deal like not really a thing right yeah yeah yeah so anyways but if we look at what the French did it was a totally different totally totally different concept they did not seek to reduce the tyranny of government they seek they sought to increase the control of government over the people they didn't look you know that there were writings of the time that people said that they did not seek to overthrow you know Kings they sought to overthrow the the common man right it was the belief that the individual is not smart enough to choose for themselves how they live their lives and so we enlightened few must choose for them on behalf of them all the minut decisions in their lives and then so they started this whole you know social engineering everything they had I mean all kinds of stuff I won't get into the whole reign of terror well that right there actually does strike me as like a common thread throughout history of communism and the difference in the American system where there is AI in the American system freedom for people to choose versus and the communist system giving more and more power to the government to the central authorities right I think actually the what I would say defines in a lot of ways the American system is the belief that individual people who are unknowable individuals in the context of government but just like the general faith that the average human being is competent enough and ethical enough to be able to make good decisions on behalf of himself and his family in his community as long as they were white land owning men at the time keep in mind the slave owners like what like 1% yeah I wasn't much smaller thing than people and that was a leftover of course you know the British system of mercantilism you know so we can still blame the British because they'll blame the Brit a because that's important which I which I prefer doing oh yeah really everything it's why we overthrew right yeah also that and that and all those stupid spellings color with a you I mean come on people America truly did improve the system alright so anyways all these little secret societies or philosophies that gave rise to the French Revolution yeah and so you actually had it was a very interesting yet you had a moderate group and he had a very extreme group there was a mountain yards and the G or dunes the Montagnards ended up killing all the genes and and they were the were they the extreme ones yeah they were both kind of extreme but they were more extreme and after that they launched they started what was called the cult of Reason and the cult of Reason was a movement there the de-christianization movement under the cult of reason basically the cult of Reason was an 8 was the first government-run system of atheism it was worshipping reuse it in place of you know the belief in God now what in your mind is this different than the American system of separating church and state well you know I would say all systems of law are based in a religious foundation that that moral morality is inseparable from religion which is why even when you get into the idea of atheism right there atheism was based in nature ISM right the belief that you should not have morals that moral restraint in and of itself is illogical because who's to say what's right and wrong if there is no God right now that was kind of the idea boy so I'm confused by this point so you're saying that the foundation of this belief was that anything that restricts human nature is bad and get rid of it but at the same time they don't want the common people to have freedom that they want to be completely restrained how does that work yeah it doesn't it's it's a logical I mean just don't you know honestly it's totally illogical and you know people pointed out how illogical it was but you had a bunch of like you know 25 year old basically college kids launching a revolution in the society and some of them are older of course so basically they shouldn't have any restrictions on them DNA but they should decide the restrictions for us well but you shouldn't restrict them from being able to oppress people ah there you go Matt crack the code it's all clear now yeah so we started the do Christianisation movement I mean you can still find plaques on Chinese French buildings you know the you know the the cult of Reason the paintings of it still pictures of it still you know they took prostitutes and put him in the seats of the Pope's they would kill priests and so on they put farm animals in the robes of priests and you know they engaged in such extreme debauchery that even Robespierre who was in charge at that time was horrified by it robe spear then launched his own cult who was the cult of slightly more reasonable people it was the cult of the Supreme Being and there are different views on this some say the coldest Supreme Being was a deist system so just you know believe in something right believe in a deity others say that ropes BR put himself as God in the seat of God and if you look at pictures of or paintings of the cult of Supreme Being you can see that he made a mountain and put a big throne at the top and dressed in like Greek god robes and sat on this very fair analysis long story short all this stuff fell apart they ended up killing robe they killed robes beer they rebelled against him and then you had kind of the gradual downfall of the French Revolution the whole thing failed he went back to you know monarchy and then so on with Napoleon and such but you had you had different groups that tried continuing the idea of the revolution so the first revolutionary communist came out of this who's with France Francois Noel grekes Bob oof and he tried launching his whole I think it was called the conspiracy of equals that failed they got they got caught they end up executing him I just like how at the time people were named like naming their own things like the cult of Blanc or the conspiracy of Blanc like they just like owned those names yeah there was all conspiracy and what that's true that basically his ideas were adopted then into the into the the League of Outlaws it was an organization that meant to kind of carry on his revolutionary ideas and so now we're into the like the 1800s this is like early 1800 but still pre marks pre marks early Adena it's pre mark but like the Napoleonic Wars era yeah Napoleonic Wars era correct that later became the league of the just and you had an individual come o to the League of the outlaws became the League of the judges they just changed their name that's good brandy but at that time you had a really weird figure come in and I honestly I'm kind of vague on what he actually believed in I can assume what he believed in based on what others around him believed in but if you read if he read books that describe him they say that he believed in a a an apocalyptic Christian worldview or this is who who believes in it the individual took over the League of the League of the just came over his name my head um you're look up illegal digest it's all public information this later moved this merged later with the Communist League Karl Marx was in it you know so on it was from there that they wrote the communist manifesto so there was a communist League before Marx wrote the communist manifesto correct correct well communism as I mentioned the word came actually from the circle so she Al and really until Lenin's Revolution right and right in the way 1917 the words communism so in socialism were interchangeable people use them interchangeably we're gonna have to get to that later Wow yeah I did not know they were interchangeable yeah it's just different stages of it you know there were no socialist or communist systems before before any of these there's all just basically theory until I guess the Paris Commune of 1871 it was theory and theory until the Paris Commune correct well we'll definitely get into the socialism persons communism thing a little later in the podcast cuz that that's a good thing but so there's this League of Communists so there was an interesting break if you read about communism at that time there were a lot of different groups I mean I've read I've read about some of the meetings they had between say the aluminous groups and the so you know socialist groups and all these things that they had like you know somewhere around like a million members I mean it was it was not a minor movement they had a lot of people involved with this and there were different factions Marx Marxist faction was looking to create an atheistic version of communism there were other ones who wanted to create a religious version of comedy when you say Marxist faction do you mean a faction led by Marx a faction led by Marx yeah and you know Marx and angles angles was her medicine you know he had studied Hermeticism and things like this he wasn't he was quite different from Marx in terms of belief but you know Marx's idea of pure materialism winded up being the one they went with there was another faction for March really does get all the credit well he was the one who standardized the system that went on to create all the various communist varieties as we've seen them his was the model who knows maybe this other factions done other things that history just doesn't know about but for the most part marks united all these different factions under a single ideology so Marx was kind of like the bottleneck that all of these different ideologies came together through him he focused it and then after him it would spread out into different variations of it basically Marx Marx popularized it he United the movements and popularized it and even the Communist Manifesto some people argue wasn't necessarily written by him because the League of the just and League of outlaws also have their own manifestos which are very similar and even going back to the Illuminati of Bavaria the writings of Adam lies hopped er really really similar to Marx which is which is pretty interesting I mean I don't you want to go read this like filthy stuff so marks just redistributed the ideas and but you know there was some free there was some weird stuff one of the one of the factions the the communist Church which was opposed as kind of the alternative moron like that I mean now if you read it it's almost funny they death at the the kind of priests of communism and the bishops of communism every it had like everything you know normal religion had but everything had communists at the end of it they had communist sermons and communist hymns and all the Eucharist the freakiest thing those if you read the actual writings of the Church of communism which was kind of you know the main system that was challenging the Marxist ideas it was a Satanist idea and it actually talked about leading communism and to quote the final synthesis of God into Satan like it says that and you know I mean I were reading this and I'm like you know it's like super like normal academic writings you're reading and then like all the sudden they say then you're like like why what what the heck am i I mean can you back it in like their worldviews we're totally different from ours so they're talking about things yeah well you know I have some you know I've talked to some people who are like you know you've read about her you know this hermetic texts and things like that apparently it does come with some kind of hermetic concept that they they believe that somehow you know so Karl I mean getting it to say more modern philosophy Carl Jung for sample believed that the shortcoming of Christianity for example was the idea that it did not integrate the shadow that had denied denied the dark the dark side of human nature entirely and so there were a lot of groups that talked you know young Carl young for example talked about integrating the shadow right you you identified the nature of the shadow self and the you know the light self and you find a middle ground beneath the to and through that balance you can find say you know that a higher self now that was the idea maybe if we get into like even like Kabbalah and stuff like that you know the tree of life breaks and then re-emerges and things like this they ballot they believe that the left hand path and the right hand path essentially led to the same final goal and so good and evil and a lot of the rise was was different paths to the same final point this is beginning to sound like Star Wars to me well this is this is all these creepy occult things that are at the basis of this if you get into all of it anyways it's all moot because basically Marxist system is the one they final they've only the one they settled on and when Marx kept was a lot of people think that it was just an economic system which wasn't it was a culture it was cultural it was spiritual it was everything marketing you're describing it like a church right because in the Communist Manifesto that Marx and Engels wrote basically say communism is a quote communism abolishes eternal truths it abolish as all religion in all morality yeah but I think what Josh is saying that there was a separate Church of communism that was trying to go down a different route and then there was Marx's well yeah because it wasn't it wasn't necessarily atheistic until Marx kind of finalized the atheistic view of it I mean there if there were any atheistic system it was more a rebellion against Christianity such a cyclic Church yeah and then merging in these different occult ideas that is it looked like the you know the cult of cult of reason for example and so you know you talk about angles for example he was you know he'd studied Hermeticism and things like that a lot of them had if you get into you know the whole you know Hegel and stuff like that he was also her medicine one of the main foundations of communism the living soul of Marxism is I think it's been called is dialectical materialism dialectical materialism is extremely extremely important into understanding what communism actually aims to do and how it creates its systems and so dialectical materialism was actually they took the Hegelian dialectic right which is observing say a process in motion right it was a thesis synthesis I can remember how they described it but the main idea that Marx kept from it was the idea that conflict leads forward conflict leads forward so if you manufacture conflict in society or struggle in society you thereby help society advance and Marx believed in this idea of Soviet proposes idea of social evolution you know the five stages of civilization which is very similar like Thomas Cole's course of empires for example and this is when he starts kind of synthesizing and some of what Darwin was research this is survival of the fittest this is when they start bringing that Indiana so March Marx's five stages of civilization he had primitive communism the agrarian society capitalism at the time there was nothing beyond that then you had he believed that eventually the people you know the workers would revolt they'd seize for themselves control the whole thing and they'd established the dictatorship of the proletariat right that they would this new system would seize control of all the means of production which is funny because a lot of people these days they think that socialism is an alternative to capitalism which it you know if you understand the five stages of civilization as it kind of was but it didn't ever talk about getting rid of the capitalist systems Lenin I mean they all wrote about this London for example wrote about how socialism was the system of state capitalist monopolies it was not that they would get rid of the systems of trade as we understand them but that the state would seize control of them so the same thing just different people control it's the same thing it's just that the quote the people no longer control it which is funny because they talked about the people controlling it's as a state dictatorship seizes control of it the average person is no longer able to engage in it right unless they're assigned by the state to engage in it so you wouldn't in this in this worldview you wouldn't have like the rich capitalist controlling a factory allow you to have the rich communist party party cadre in practice and then the peons getting whatever they decide to trickle down through their bureaucracy so this dialectical materialism right so anyways but they believe that the final stage after they but actually the socialism was not really meant to last though this this is what's really interesting we understand communism socialism was not designed to last socialism was a state of dictatorship it was a system where the government seizes control of every element of society and uses that control to destroy within that society all the things that communism aimed to destroy morality religion tradition beliefs you know the financial systems systems of Independence the family structure you name it so at this point I do just want to throw in like the argument there is like well if you look at the Scandinavian countries or even some European countries you don't see like the government of Norway rounding up political prisoners and executing them all right so the whole norm the whole your you know the whole Scandinavian or whatever the Nordic model thing is it's a total nonsense it's a lie look at Denmark for example they I mean they're not they're not socialist countries it's true they have high taxation and they have free health care and free school but they still have the full system of capitalism I mean there's still absolutely capitalist societies and actually they're more capitalist and even the US we've got Denmark it's it's super easy to start a business they don't even have minimum wage laws which is funny because they've like one of the highest you know revenue highest wages in the world anything just alright well so we'll get back to that socialism communism thing I just wanted to throw that in there because I want to hear about what dialectical materialism means so dialectical materialism it's you know this guy called like the living soul of Marxism dialectical materialism does is not built to last social lupine is not built a lot it was meant to you it was meant to seize control of every element of society and to use that control to drive society towards the final synthesis of communism the final synthesis being this idea of a society totally you know quote-unquote liberated from all its forms of slavery so Marx would call morality slavery on the human spirit he called it a family was slavery you know every restraint on human nature anything that would make a preconceived idea about what reality was right they wanted to destroy all of that traditional values belief culture so on and oh you know just so happens every communist society has done this right they always aim to destroy these things and even let's say the open socialist systems they take steps to accomplish this as well they start attacking the traditions and beliefs and religious foundations of the society although it's much slower a lot of times what do you mean by an open socialist society you know yeah I mean I'm saying like the the Democratic Socialist I guess we can come the the socialists who use the say elected forms of government to achieve their goals rather than say violent revolution where they can immediately see as control of every element of society okay well then Venezuela right because they used you know Hugo Chavez was democratically elected and then he began seizing some of the means of production right so he sees a division of oil a company he sees some of the some of the other other things set price maximums on on things and and so on he tried to get term limits removed if the people actually voted against that and then you see what happened with Maduro and everything else history repeats itself but legitimately we would call that a socialist system in the sense that you're talking about right yeah and I mean technically if you go by Marxist views actually a lot of real communists are right and saying that we haven't really seen you know quote-unquote true communism we've seen that we've seen the variance of socialism to vary you know to varying extremity none of them achieved the goals the marks claimed they would achieve which would in his eyes be communism well but let's let's talk about China because of course this is China unscripted well hold on I don't want to jump to China yet this is like we haven't even really talked about dialectical materialism what happened after Marx so dialectical materialism was based on the thing they kept from the Hegelian dialectic was the idea that conflict leads forward and dialectical materialism is the way that communism manufactures its issues in each society it creates in each society it's trying to manifest itself so you can understand every country in the world has its own religion every country in the world has its own social values its own you know cultural standards its own beliefs its own you know variant system of government calming the the communism in order to get into these countries uses dialectical materialism and dialectical materialism uses three different steps identify contradict eliminate the middle it is a you know if you want to get in again into the origins of communism it's a satanic concept it's a concept based and inversion so Satanism for example inverts the moral systems of Christianity if you you know I mean not maybe not these clowns with Church of Satan these kinds of guys but like real Satanists right like really not that legit ones you know they looked at they look to invert morality so whatever the Christians teach they seek to do the opposite if you want to talk about the ten commandments they will seek to violate the ten commandments they all the black mass they hold it in reverse they read things in reverse everything's upside down inverted right okay you can you can Amin technically you could use this to create an evil interpretation of anything right the the values systems that challenge the inherent values of the society if you want to get into the certain you know scientific view of it right they talk about magic or magic you know dark magic Oh systems for example this is anthropology right there's type 1 and type 2 criminal magic as they would call it not magic as we would think like wizards and stuff but magic isn't things that affect the human consciousness so beliefs for example or religion okay type one criminal Juke would be things like say Christianity during the time of Rome and you know these things if its beliefs challenged the incumbent beliefs of that society and so the society called it criminal because it did challenged the beliefs of that society that does not mean it was evil it merely it merely chalid made people question what they believed in it challenged the valley's that society had that was type one criminal magic type two criminal magic is what they call left-hand path systems it is the inversion of the moralities of the society itself not a unique one but the intentional taking of the values of that society flipping them upside down and using that to agitate and destroy the systems of that society okay so for example use the example of the early Christians the early Christians were not necessarily trying to invert the culture of Rome they were just a different system incorrect and begin because people saw their ideas as reasonable some people were converting and people weren't happy that someone was challenging you know they're kind of incumbent beliefs and culture right doesn't mean it was evil but from the standpoint of those in the incumbent beliefs it was something to challenge them and so they were regarded as criminal or evil that was a you know exactly we would call an anthropology or a type one criminal magic type to criminal magic being the actual inversion of the moral systems of that society and so Satanism to Christianity would be type 2 criminal magic or would be called left-hand path systems and so dialectical materialism worked totally on this left-hand path concept it was you take any society any culture in the world and you flip it upside down if you want I mean it's all it's all unfortunately tied to social movements these days right if you want to say attack the religion of the society you promote things that go against the values of that religion in the society if people believe if they believe lying is wrong you start a campaign of Lies like they did in communist China right but like like they openly start a campaign of Lies yeah openly right if if let's say you know the society is based in the idea that people can start their own business and have free trade you create arguments in that society that you should not have any free trade right you go you create the opposite extreme I'm kind of thinking of like in the China's Cultural Revolution like because in China for thousands of years there's the idea of respecting your elders respecting your teachers and like in the Cultural Revolution suddenly it was like the students were you know exposing their teachers beating up their teachers educating their teachers right right often with their fists yeah or you know the whole you know ancient Chinese societies based on you know harmony of man and nature communism talked about you know fighting with man fighting with me you know God therein lies true joy that kind of stuff that was now something Mao said right yeah that was Mao Zedong so Mao really latched on to this dialectical materialism I would actually say that Mao Zedong of all the communist leaders seem to understand it best and he acts so really Mao Mao Zedong was the best communist Tanguma technically if you if you understand his use of the socialist system technically the only one that really tried to directly create communism is you know as they envisioned it I should say would be like Pol Pot where they threw everyone out into the fields and try to make him return to like agrarian you know absolute agrarian society or something interesting aprea Grampy if we pre communism was communism would have been even beyond agrarian this primitive government of communism yeah well so it's interesting you say that Mao was the best communist cuz I know one of the criticisms of like the Soviet communists was that you know the idea that society progresses along these five avenues in like society has to reach a capitalist system before you can truly have the communist uprising China was still mostly an agrarian society so they felt you couldn't have a true communist uprising until China had gone through the industrial capitalist phase yeah it's complicated yeah that's an interesting that's an interesting point though that maybe the whole opening up thing with that just part of that hey but who no but I mean what one of the things that Mao did which was what the Soviets were like you couldn't do you can't get the farmers on board in mouths like no no no we've got you know hundreds of millions of farmers we're gonna use them as the proletariat to overthrow the landlords and the existing structure so in the sense that that was I guess what you're saying about inverting and attacking that was communism but in the strictest sense of it was not a industrial proletariat it wasn't yeah well I mean this is this is an important thing to mention is it a lot of people that it's easy to try to understand communism only through the lens of say the financial systems in the whole capitalist you know market type stuff that was a really small part of communism the only reason they used that was because doing so allowed them to seize control of the LA you know seize control of that society well so it seems like you're saying what's core – it is conflict specifically through inversion exactly how is that different than the kind of conflict that's been going on in all human history because communism directly aims to incite conflict socialism is we can understand it cannot exist unless people are told to struggle against a certain group of people it always works by taking grouped by identifying let's say an oppressor in a society and driving society in to struggle against that group you've identified and that's different than the founding fathers saying we need to struggle against the British monarchy yeah it wasn't an ongoing struggle communists they didn't say I don't think they said struggle did you struggle I'm like yeah no I mean that that was that was against I think I mean you can say there were past revolutions in all points of society there were there were groups oh there were Wars and all points of society all of whom believed they were fighting for some kind of just cause I mean presumably I'm sure there was some who said very nowhere were evil we're gonna go eat them or something sure I'm sure there was some like that dude like Barbarian tribes or something like that neutral barbarians but but you know presumably a lot of them believed they were doing something just and believed they were fighting and some kind of injustice ancient China for example said right the people follow the Emperor the Emperor of all is heaven but if you believe the emperor was not following heaven you were totally right to overthrow him weren't a lot of communist revolutions based on the idea that society is unequal that it is unjust and we're going to overthrow these old systems to create a more just society that that was the talking point they used but what but but what did they put in its place they had this idea that any evil any degree of crime is acceptable in achieving our goals they talked about liberating humanity from slay you know slavery but communism is is through and through the ideology of slavery and they enslaved entire societies if you control every single part of a person's life every decision they have and you threaten to throw them in prison if they don't want to do it that that is that is slavery – right – – what is slavery it's a person who works and is not entitled to the mean to the revenue of their there you know what they produce right that they're not they're not able to have what they produce communism is based on that that is the basis of comedy I mean one of the basis of communism the government controls every fascist of a person's personal life or that you are not entitled to the fruits of your labor which is the same idea as slavery and also that if you try to escape will kill you which we've also seen a lot of communist societies yeah you know even if you don't try to escape and then we can just kill you anyways it's true and so you know they use talking points but you understand this is how the dialectic works the dialectic now Marx was Marx was very good at this might say Marx and Mao were the two who really got it Martin M Marx was very good at say using inversion in everything he did so you know he would say you know there was a book that said what was it I mean I'll just give a random example you know someone would say the you know we must we must stop the the tyranny of the intellectual and Marx would say we must stop the intellectual of tear you know the intellectualism of tyranny right these it's you know things like this you know you know he would take things and just flip them upside down if you read a lot of his writings he sometimes so sometimes in his letters with angles he would talk about articles he had written for various newspapers and angles would inquire oh well what did you what was your prediction on what with the outcome of this issue be and marks would say well I wrote it in the way that no matter what no matter what happens I'd be correct this is like a TV psychic it's kind of reminds me of like I read mouths a little red book mm-hmm when I was traveling in China a long time ago and one of the things that really struck me is is there'd be things like you know people accuse me of you know being a rascal and that's precisely what I am you know and and you know people you know accuse me of using this scum of society in it but that's exactly what we're doing and he kind of like like take something that should be a criticism and then flips it upside down to be like he like totally owns it and then uses it as if it's like it it begs the question that well I mean the technical sense begs the question like it it assumes the premise of the thing to be correct before he says it and then he says it and then it's like repeated over and over again and people just like believe it yeah example is like how well definitely in the Soviet Union and in China you know in general people think being educated is good but in these societies it became that oh if you're educated if you're an intellectual that means you have somehow gotten that because you're oppressing people and you're using your intellect to further oppress people sore so go to the countryside you know revolutionary they people we'd get like fleas in their hair and they call them revolutionary fleas right because being dirty was like the highest yeah I called it revolutionary bugs and people would actually just not bathe so it is what so so it is that thing where it's like something traditionally viewed as good like being intellectual then gets flipped into being something bad yeah and so mouths Mao Zedong like I said I think he understood this better than pretty much any of them other than maybe Marx himself Mao Zedong talked about it almost as a is an inverted Taiji theory and so Taiji or yin-yang you're gonna call it the idea that there are two opposing forces in the universe which harmonize with each other and bring balance to which is a very traditional concept the idea yeah order and chaos yeah Mao Zedong talked about it differently he said one becomes two two becomes four so imagine a Taiji there's yin and Jung and suddenly yin and Jung break from each other one becomes two right you have two seven things yin and yang separate and then two becomes four each of those is now split into factional infighting factional infighting the idea is is not just to break or destroy the the values of a society but to disintegrate them layer by layer and so when a lot of people a lot of say people who study cop you know communism and the critical sense they talk about or even positive things people who like it they talk about using the dialectic and so part of this part of the idea of using the dialectic is it's the progress right the slow march through the institution's it's taking things one step at a time that you may a m– to say achieve the end goal of destroying a certain value in society but you might not destroy it outright you might start by criticizing it you might start by pushing a social issue that would accomplish the goal of destroying that value in a society right and most rational most here's the theory is that most people not wanting to engage in conflict will say I'm not going to be involved in this you guys fight it out the two people who are left are going to be the real hardliners and the Communists the extremes yeah the extremes the hard welcome to the Internet sounds like sounds like everything happening in politics yeah and so you're gonna have you're gonna have the people who refuse to give up their beliefs are you and with the Communists and the Communists the people refused to give up their beliefs are usually based in some religion or traditional value that the Communists are criticizing and attacking from rather right other angles right they're trying to dissolve it from other angles Society is witnessing this if they can drive the opposing faction or the incumbent faction and to say it angry or lashing out they use that they latch on to say Oh see what he did they these these people they do these terrible things and you should all turn against it gradually people will start moving towards one extreme or the other chances are usually the move to the at least historically then they have very often moved towards the communist side and then you know because the Communists they don't say what they actually aim to achieve on the surface a lot of times it does they you know give it the veneer of common good right they want to they want to create a social issue that kind of works as a mask over their true intentions you see you know what this is reminding me of is like how the American Psychological Association recently like came out with new guidelines that said like traditional views of masculinity are like fundamentally toxic and etc etc etc and the idea of taking what is you know traditionally viewed as being a man they flip that and make that bad that men are bad fundamentally and there needs to be some kind of new approach to it yeah that's exactly that and if people don't come out to challenge it if people don't try to reverse it right they just win it's as simple as that I won't get into it just yet but if we talk about communist tactics of ideological subversion the first step is demoralisation you want people to no longer fight you want people to no longer try to challenge them you want people to become so afraid of being attacked that they just sit and keep their mouth shut yeah that sounds like the Internet and yeah and you know they don't want to engage in it because it's it's stressful they're there other they're more pleasant things you can be focused on you don't want to be arguing with people over you know issues like this and if you do take you know if you do step out they will attack you in the most vicious ways they can find at least you know that's what communism does right did you see that all throughout the Cultural Revolution and before then it yeah and YouTube comments YouTube comments there you go alright so anyways we're we're we're the Communist right so we're with dialectical materialism anyways we will get into the whole history of how communism developed basically between between the start of you know the the creation of the Communist Manifesto and let's say Lenin there were several attempts by the communists to launch different revolutions in 1848 Paris Commune and so on right Marx Marx played a very strong role in these if not you can't really prove direct but you can't say ideological that he was the one uniting these movements under the you know the whole communist League and was egging them on and providing kind of the ideological backbone and distributing pamphlets and news you know newspapers and books all over Europe you know and of course into other parts of the world this went on basically until World War one happened and so what happened in World War one Marx had workers of the world unite now is our time right and what happened the workers of the world did not unite they united a long traditional nationalistic line where they died of the Spanish influenza yeah or German bullets they rallied behind their respective Kings right the idea that nationalism the idea that national pride in it you know heritage in these things right it created this idea that this was a more powerful force than than the idea of violent revolution that then the idea of say the the struggle of the workers and so a lot of communists at that time said well what the heck what the heck what the heck just happened everything Marx was saying did not come to fruition right and so a lot of them are going back to the drawing board well what happened then was something that no one really expected Lenin did his march on you know did you know the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution in a it was it was not the workers against you know the the bourgeois was in the proletariat against the bourgeois it was the intelligentsia and the military against the feudalist you know the Czarist feudalist system right it was but he also took over follow in the october revolution following an earlier revolution that year that didn't really work very well yeah so yeah Lenin technically subverted resisting revolution and you know he'd just pretty much walked into walked into the palace and the Winter Palace and just took it for himself his revolution wasn't as you know fantastic as the Soviets later made it sound no are you accusing the Soviets of lying but the point is that incident made a lot of Communists go back to their you know go back to the drawing board basically so of course in a you know we look at what Lenin actually did to he didn't he didn't help the workers he persecuted the workers the the enemies of his system were the kulaks that the peasants who were well off the peasants who were successful he went the first thing one of the first things he did was seized the seeds and you know plows and stuff of the peasants so they couldn't grow food and it started a huge famine and killed like millions of people sure wasn't just the weather that caused the famine maybe a few things combined yeah but I mean that's what they say about the great famine and China right the three years of bad weather or something like that really well you know when Lenin was questioned about you know killing millions of his people by doing this what he said was is it's good I mean not his exact words but it's good he said it will destroy people's faith not only in the Czar but in God too and he said that it would also help society move to the next stage right they would move from the whole agrarian society to the socialist system curious but the source of that is black book of communism has it uh-huh yeah I read the black beggar communism how does it compare to the red book of communism quite different when one is expectations versus reality right so what happened after after Lenin's ma you know I've left her Lenin lunches revolution you had all these communists go back to the drawing board because World War one did not create the kind of communist revolution people thought and then Lenin's successful revolution was not done the way it was was it in late-stage capitalism it was you know forceful takeover it wasn't a natural revolt of the the working-class and so on the advanced capitalist societies isn't they would call it during that time would have been like Germany and you know Britain and contrary to Marxist belief to the the living quality of Pete you know the living quality of life didn't go down further it was actually going up people were becoming you know more comfortable more successful you know early early into early Industrial Revolution is pretty horrific but you know by that time he was already improving and so you had all these communists go back to the drawing board they said okay well obviously Marx was wrong and so a lot of them wrote about they wrote very critical pieces on Marx at that time which is what confuses a lot of people when they understand well didn't he criticized Marx and so on because a lot of them didn't even like let him for example right so what happens right you have Mussolini make a new system Mussolini was one of the top you know socialists in Europe at that time he was extremely well respected in the socialist community they turned against him basically because he supported World War one and so he went off and started as a new faction which was the fascists Mussolini had witnessed in World War one his lesson was that you know the idea of the workers revolution wasn't as appealing to people as the nationally uh nationalist pride right because everyone fought with their kings and stuff and so he said we'll see use that is that is you know one of the uniting factors there so that of socialism that's what turned Mussolini's socialism into Mussolini's fascism yeah you know the whole fascist concept of the fisty it's the the sticks that reinforce the handle of the axe it was a collectivist concept in his autobiography she's eloquently my autobiography you know he says that under this new system people will no longer have the antisocial right to rebel against the the you know the color the interests of the collective right don't rock the boat yeah so so Mussolini was essentially a communist he was he was a socialist or a communist but like I said until Lenin did there was no difference between the two you could say socialist or communist so but in the minimum he was a socialist who then turned that socialism into fascism correct but in social the fascism is just it's the same thing if you look at me if you look at Mussolini's policies and I know people who like hearing this look at this policies it reads like Bernie Sanders Lana's should honestly go read them no read is policy free college I encourage everyone to go or hate is promoting it's no different from the socialist so today I just want to remind everyone listening that don't necessarily endorse or dismiss yeah go go read them don't let don't take it from my from my mouth look at me Sanders calls himself a Democratic Socialist so that's that's his self description so did Engels yeah really yeah angle angles was the first Democratic Socialist no kidding one of them Wow and so you know the whole idea of Marxism being separate myself was stupid it was you know the tech technically the the Paris Commune was democratically elected it's just after taking power they went and launched you know their attacks on Paris I mean they just destroyed like huge amounts of Paris like them are in the in the buildings and the different estimates be these destroyed a ridiculous amount of the the arts and buildings but it was so Mussolini socialist turns fascist dictator right and so you know social you know basically Mussolini did his march on Rome you know he didn't really have a violent overthrow he maintained the king he kept he kept recognizing the church there are different beliefs and why he did that some say oh well he didn't have the power to fool the overthrow door during that time would have been a good idea cuz he would probably got and taken out by other other factions of the church or whatever right technically Mussolini didn't go fully into his socialist system until Hitler gave him control of Solow once he gained control of Solow that's when you saw his full system at play so Solow right that was right the part of the part of what was it from there sorry yeah it'll leave that Hitler gave to Mussolini Fuli to play out his whole system okay so what is Hitler's view because Hitler was a fascist Hitler was a socialist it was National Socialism that's what Nazism is it's National Socialism he used the ideas of Mussolini but also merged them with communism he was very critical of Marx but he was critical of Marx in the same context that a lot of them are critical of Marx and they say at that time that they believe that the core ideas of socialism and communism could be reworked into a functioning system because Marx didn't really propose a real strong system Marx criticized existing systems right they said our goal is to destroy not identify they did not look to create a replacement for those systems but to instead destroy all the previously existing systems so Hitler one of his things was he he promoted German culture which seems to be at odds of what you're saying and also I mean he was very Lindley anti-communist I thought it's not the Soviets no he was and he wasn't Eve told Lee aligned with the Soviets he had different talking points he claimed to be against Marxism if you look at his policies it was absolutely socialist he used identity politics the same way that modern people his identity politics his entire basis was instead of going after the 1% it was the Jewish well you know the wealthy Jews right he wanted he seized that he seized their assets redistributed across Europe so instead of smash the patriarchy he was well it was it was the same argument see if you you want to have a fun time go go on you know any of these Huffington Post and replace any mention of white people with the Jew and you'll see it reads exactly like something you know right here you know the modern people they're playing the same in the same exact thing it's just that when you know when you're in it it's like they can't see it for what it is right it's the whole idea as dividing is dividing society into factions and pitting them against each other Mecca Huffington Post article and see there's there's a really funny Internet plug-in actually that it will change the dimensions of that for you well now that's capitalism right there there's a market demand okay here's an article here's a is this is an opinion article published in The Huffington Post the title is white people stop using 900 to elect people so if we change it to Jews stop using 9/11 to oppress the jury and people basically then that that doesn't sound really good go into the article all right now I'm gonna read it but I'm gonna I'm just gonna replace white people leave everything else I'm gonna use this against you someday in the future man okay so we're reading HuffPo here's how it begins if there's one thing Jews seem to love okay Wow if there's one thing Jews seem to love it's calling the police on black people who are just going about their daily lives I'm so uncomfortable keep going no no I keep going a little bit more but it doesn't say white people that many times so let me just find a paragraph that uh okay while the media in the public may be fascinated with such stories Jews calling the police on black people isn't a new phenomenon at all yeah you have articles calling for like white genocide yeah these days right in some of these publications here's that here's a good one we also we cannot reduce these incidents to misunderstandings or even overreactions rather we must acknowledge them for what they are acts of JUSA premises violence oh it's crazy that you said that I thought you were joking about the HuffPo thing but but but again you know to in HuffPost defense I'm only looking at the first article I found and it was an opinion article obviously when you publish an opinion article you're partly responsible for the content but partly not totally responsible the same way we're having you on this podcast and your views are your own although you know if you were a completely crazy person and we brought you on then it would be our fault what I oppose is the totalitarian systems your own satchet altaïr anti totalitarian I fully oppose fascism I fully oppose Nazism I fully oppose communism and socialism and I see them as being almost exactly the same see that's just really interesting because in the context of what I learned in school you've got the I mean you got when I grew up so like 80s 90s the the bad guys were the Nazis the good guys were the Allies including America USA number one and the Communists not so bad it was just the other thing and that's the second world and you know they have their own system and the Cold War I mean by the time I was in you know middle school the Cold War was over and communism was kind of done but they weren't portrayed in that in the way that that the Nazis were I mean but it's because their crimes were never fully brought out okay that's what I was gonna ask like why is it you know we say oh well you know Mao killed you know up to a hundred million people Stalin killed maybe 40 million I mean it's not a competition but yeah well you know verified verified we can see at least a hundred million that was black book of communism over all societies 100 million have been killed according to black book of communism but more recent research suggests the numbers maybe 150 million or more so so not not to downplay the you know six million Jews that Hitler killed plus you know gypsies I'm not too much I think just just Lennon's famine killed something like four to five million Russians right so but again to not not to downplay the horrible things Hitler did just you're just saying that that communism just ended up killing like an order of magnitude more people I think Josh would include all of those I wouldn't know is it okay I would include those with it although the numbers I gave did not include that because a lot of people don't include this unfortunately right but I would say that even in terms of practice it's the exact same thing the entire system revolves around struggle you want to identify an enemy of the people which people are driven to struggle against right sometimes communism promotes tradition we saw that under you know the whole what was it Romanian system Renton's it cheshire colchester yeah you know he brought he brought up this whole idea of you know tradition and stuff it was calm it was but it was you know it still regarded as a communist system of his communist right I mean Hitler Hitler liked traditional Western art he thought that the art of the European people especially the German people you know was like the greatest of all right he you know vogner as you mentioned know the vogner I understand didn't really like his music being used that way but but no no I think you're thinking of Strauss vogner was well before Hitler okay sorry wrong you're the one with it with a master's degree in music education that's right so but anyway so but the point is so Hitler was using these very traditional Western cultural well ideas it's MIT's mixed if you read Hitler's attacks on Christianity and stuff was the same thing as the rest of them right you know he was talking about you know German Nordic you know traditions and stuff like that his attacks on the incumbent religion at that time was no different from any other countries just he saw he was using the dialectic differently he was using it to use the older stuff to attack the newer stuff you know so it's like today in China well so it's like China how there was a whole period where they were big ol anti Confucius Confucius was horrible smashed historic infusions and now we have the party backing Confucius Institutes and promoting Confucianism just with its a nationalistic twist to it what I would almost say it's like a hollowed-out version of Confucianism like it uses the forms of Confucianism or like if you go to well the point is it didn't they they did both tactics they were against traditional culture and now they are also promoting traditional culture yeah they've done in a lot of ways I mean there was the China Buddha Association which was the Chinese Communist Party's like state-run version of Buddhism it was the patriotic Catholic Association theology system they used to subvert Latin America for example right now Russia's control of the Russian Orthodox Church – you know do these things like the World Council of Churches that was kind of yeah the World Council of Churches that was it was tied in to that as well yeah you know it's complicated that this is why it's it's hard I think to understand what communism is without understanding the deeper ideas of the dialectic right of dialectical materialism or how do you how would you define the dialectic dialectical that everything is taking place or everything is not necessarily about the surface issues the surface issues are merely tools to achieve a deeper goal and the deeper goal is to destroy one value of the set of the society for each specific issue right if the goal at any given time is to say seize power then you might say anything you might support the national the nationalist movement you might support groups that oppose communism you might a lot you might even claim you're anti-communist just because you want to seize power you will say anything to seize power because their their goal is not the issue the issue is the tool to achieve the goal okay so so let me ask you to give a specific example let's say Josh you were a communist and you wanted to use dialectical materialism to destroy China uncensored like what tactic would you use to achieve that because going up against China uncensored on a basis of factual accuracy you're probably not gonna get anywhere because we're really good about fact-checking for example yeah well I'd say that they've probably tried getting you guys on that inhabit and they're probably trying to use it though the way the way the easiest way to deal with Beeson I mean this is going be that's not really dialectic that'd be more like subversion or something okay rally like you know hundreds of people to go leave negative comments on your comment section or I'd create create you know new release documents that contradict your reports and then broadcast you know and then have foreign agents go talking to foreign agents of racism yeah yeah exactly so that you know right now for example a committee of 101 of the Chinese Communist Party's groups goes into high circles of society and anytime a Chinese spy is arrested they say it's a racism it's so you know you know they use this right the Chinese Communist Party Talks I mean this is getting away from dialectical materialism but the Chinese Communist Party talks about strangling you with your own systems you might want to even push things to an extreme right you want to drive them to an extreme because anytime something's driven to an extreme then it becomes questionable right and so if you if you you know this is this is the Chinese Communist Party strategy of strangle with you strangle with your own system so you believe in free speech well I'm gonna use free speech to destroy you I'm gonna use it to criticize you on your own soil oh you believe in freedom of the press I'm gonna go to your country and build my own newspaper and use that newspaper to attack everything you used to claim so this is basically like China Global Television Network which is the Chinese state-run media that's got you know they've got their building that's in Washington DC they're members of the Press Club they they different Chinese state-run media have taken over various radio stations they put Chinese propaganda in you know the China watch sections that they advertise in The Wall Street Journal and New York Times and so on and they're taking advantage of the free and open speech environment of this country yeah pretty much or you know they might try to get like a you know say that volunteer into your organization for example who will then you know cause trouble from where from within to make and then use that as a way to frame you one of the ways to is disinformation they could have a secret source come and give you say yeah you know I'm a former top-level official and I have this information for you and you know as soon as you release it then let's say the grain of falsehood or the way it was taken for example might be used to frame a new narrative to attack you and on a real large scale you'll do stuff like that you know so why do you think it is that even today there's even though communism has well has communism succeeded anywhere it's been tried it hasn't succeeded economically I would say it has succeeded in destroyed in really damaging moral values and traditions if you look at the effects it has had in Soviet Union in terms of damaging the the values that once existed or the Chinese on China for example of like destroying the religious head of the spiritual heritage or you know the old traditions of China yet it succeeded to a horrible extent people when they understand they try to understand communism they make a mistake of looking at it only on you know in terms of economic success or it is does this create you know financial success they understand it ironically Thistle a capitalist viewpoint which is kind of funny and I think but I think this is also where a lot of people go wrong when they try to understand it or criticize it that's a very small part of what it actually aims to do and when it comes to damaging religion to destroying culture to destroying morality I would say it has succeeded to a terrible a degree it's not to say communism didn't just do that you know a lot of it too is looking at one of the systems of subversion will look at trends that are already moving within a society and just helping along those negative trends if drugs are a problem in the society then oh they'll get to the drug trade if China is involved drug warfare yeah exactly you know if if they're having trouble with let's say you know India you know people making counterfeit goods they'll get in the counterfeit good market simple as that if there are negative cultural trends or damaging let's say the religious foundation of the society that's like they say that moral backbone of social order you know regardless of what religion or what country it's in they'll subvert it right they'll create their own their own movements and or their own associations that preach a new version of it or get their own people to rise up within its ranks and then use it to destroy it from within to promote you know degenerate things and things yeah this is what they did with for example liberation theology with this whole idea that it was a new version of you know they found that after Che Guevara was killed they found they they couldn't subvert Latin America as easily as they thought they could that people were more devoted to religion than they were to any idea of you know work and you know career you know Kings or whatever then so they had to use the religious systems to create communism that was liberation theology I mean a long history does I won't get to the whole thing but this is just an example of it but that you had asked about I'm the idea of you know kind of right and left and that a lot of times we understand communism only is the kind of opposite of fascism that actually came from the Frankfurt School that was the whole um who was it called totalitarian I camera the word they use for it basically after the flower World War two ended after the crimes of the Nazis were exposed all the socialist kind of knew that oh man this is gonna expose us to because it took the same daying thing it's National Socialism or international socialism and even then the lines aren't that thick because a lot of country a lot of communist countries Chinese Communist Party North Korea whatever they flip-flop between internationalism and internationalism depending on whatever they needed in a given moment this is why some communists say Oh North Korea is not communist they're they're they're Nazis they're National Socialists because they promote nationalism you know so that you're saying that that the the idea that the Communists and the Nazis are totally different was actually an idea that was created by communists to distance themselves from the thing that was being criticized by the world I would say the idea that it wasn't socialism was done like that Hitler I think would have criticized communism to in its final its final synthesis right he wasn't looking to lose power a lot of those guys weren't looking to lose power the idea of communism is that you would have to lose power eventually right okay well I mean in in Hitler's Nazi Germany individuals who were Aryan had you know still had you know private industry they controlled most of the means of their own production you know and so on right there was still that that level of freedom for the first ages one of the ideas was that you would be assigned to your workplace right the state would this is one of the later ideas you know the more like fascism but yeah the idea was that you'd be assigned to you know your workplaces everything was owned by the government and through taxation the government kind of owns the corporate structures Queen as you get it – I don't get the whole thing with corporate fascism of things like that that the corporate systems themselves could be subverted through their structures to create these kind of collectivist systems and through taxation through the regular regulation the government can maintain control of them I mean it this stuff's complicating I think it's it's where a lot of people go off when they try to say oh well what about capital and what about this right it's actually that you know these things have found their way into a lot of systems including the corporate structures and including in the United States under you know FDR and stuff and yeah oh sorry LBJ and the corporate reforms and things like that you know we have it here to to a pretty terrible extent you know you have public companies right publicly traded companies and there's no there's no legal restrictions you know there's no there's no personal accountability within the corporate structure you register something's part of the corporation and that thing is used in something terrible and you know you just didn't dissolve the assets of the corporation it's under and so on I mean I won't get into this whole whole thing but the idea the idea of right and left is misunderstood and I think that's what that was what it was framed on they they framed the idea of communism and fascism as being just opposite ends of the same system but what's that based on what is the basis of that it's that based on the idea that you understand fascism as being I don't know I mean you just understand it as fascism itself and communism as being communism and then that's that's just the spectrum of government that these totalitarian systems that both use politico identity politics and you know struggle and these things are somehow you can only operate within the boundaries of these two very similar systems where well in the u.s. right like people on the far right criticize people on the left as being a bunch of commies and people on the far left accuse people on the far right of being a bunch of fascists they criticize it within the boundaries of the actual fascists which are very few I'd say and the actual communists who are in fact you know pushing for socialism which there are quite a few unfortunately you know but when you get into like a lot of the lot of conservatives that have nothing to do with fascism for example it's it's you know libertarian most of them which is actually more like classical liberalism ironically you know they mean because they're arguing for less inside and so you know in the u.s. a lot of people on the Left they understand this right left dynamic is only within the boundaries of fascism or calm that's the soul spectrum they understand it on and the systems really aren't that different when you guys are saying that the the political spectrum has understood a lot of times even in this country is essentially a false paradigm well it's you can't say it's false it's a paradigm I would say it's it's it's not a paradigm that encompasses all of society as they try to make it encompass all of society it's it you know it's a paradigm whether false or not people can you know you can say right and left knee does have a different concept of what that means if conservatives say right and left they believe it's a power structure that on the far left is absolute control of the government totalitarianism and on a far right is like anarchy but even when trying to understand communism you can't understand it like that you can't understand it it's just a system of political power either because if you go back to the earlier forms of communism even though even the anarchists were part of it the idea if you get into like William Godwin for example right he talked about you know radical atheist calm nerve anarchism he talked about using atheism right I'm sorry anarchy said the practice of intentional sorry personal anarchy to achieve intentional communism the idea was you could bypass the stage of socialism by looking within yourself and destroying your recognition of hierarchy of morality of tradition of belief and these things and by eradicating all of these morals and values and things like that that the socialist structure would try to eradicate you can achieve what he called intentional communism that was the whole you know anarchist movement right and so even within the conservative view of right and left it it doesn't you can't use it to understand communism you can same thing with the left you know the liberal view you can't use it I mean I wouldn't call liberals because the technical Luper libertarians these days are more liberal you can't use it to understand communism because both are communist if you want to get into the French Revolution viewpoint of it it was more like a right hand path left-hand path well you know you get into the older systems up in that that's more like a religious concept of whether you believe in values or opposed traditional values you know for example well you know Josh I had a understanding of what right and left meant and you have now flipped inverted and destroyed that notion I think you might be a communist I mean I you know I used to be more of like an anarchist I know I used to study all this stuff it's oh I know is I mean empathize with people I used to believe in this stuff probably more than most most people out there so what do you think communism still holds a fascination today I think honestly a lot of people don't know what it is it it's talking points sound you know it tries to make itself sound like it represents compassion it tries to make itself sound like it represents caring for others that it calls for equality and it calls for these things I tries to say it's the answer to hate it's the answer to you know all the problems in the world right but what does it do to achieve that right I mean this is this is what people don't understand so I mean I have friends who are like a former anarchist and they're there so their total socialists now and I'm I don't know what to tell them because I'm you know how can this is something that Frederic Bastiat noted actually in this book the law is that communist socialism is inseparable from mechanisms of exerting power right so you can talk about the idea that you want you know the to seize the the wealth of the of the you know 1% right whatever you want to call it whether you know the under Hitler was the Jews right they were like the 1% you can say you want to seize this wealth that has been you know according to them gotten through illegitimate means that these people have you know taken advantage of another part of society fine you can say you you believe in seizing it but how do you seize it right what is what is the process of seizing it and what if they do what if they refuse to give it then what do you do to them what happens then we've seen what happens we've seen it over and over what happens is that you need to create mechanisms of enforcement which will either seized it by for throw them in prison or kill them over and over and over again we've seen this okay so let's I mean that's just one example of course well so let's take something that's kind of coming up in contemporary society the idea of you know universal basic income that's a popular kind of socialist idea I mean candidates who identify as Democratic socialists have have offered this idea that everyone should get a universal basic income let's say it's the it's the political ideology of living in your mom's basement it's the it's the idea that you know I'm being taken care of and that person works hard and they have plenty of money to take care of me and I you know they should just have to take care of me you know regardless of how I try to get by in the world what what is then the incentive of the person working to work hard to support you why not just say oh well I don't want to have to work every day and you know like you know why would I hate my job I would have you know not me of course but some people you know they hate their jobs why would they want to work if half their money or even more of it probably puts it encompasses that is gonna go to a guy that says I don't feel like work I'm gonna sit home and play video games all day what do you mean is just the government gives people money well but I mean it you know typically the argument from people who support universal basic income is that it doesn't mean people don't work it just means they have some basic like safety net so like is is this mrs. socialist I think like by definition it's it's like beginning stage socialism the idea though is that people eventually just stop bothering it's it's one issue that Denmark has for example they do yeah they have free college for example you can go to college we have people who you know stay in college for the rest of their lives you know they take a class here and there and just live off the government for the rest of lives because they can but that's not a large percentage of Denmark it's it's a large enough percentage to make people question whether it's a system they should keep or not there were the they're weighing where they should keep it or not because of that and also you know that you know what what benefit does it bring right I'd say that the ability for a life to sustain itself the ability for a person to work hard to make their way in the world there's a satisfaction with that when when you start breaking the lines of you know the culture of hard work the culture of the belief that you should be self-reliant the culture that says I should do things that are uncomfortable that I should do I should I need to do this whether I like to or not because it is the right thing to do right to be self-reliant is as a satisfaction in itself and I should take responsibility not just for myself but even try to benefit others right this is this is a traditional concept communism I think destroys this and I think this universal basic income idea it sounds lofty but what does that mean and then what does it mean to and more and more people start getting in on it what does that mean – when say the only powers left are the big corporations and you know the impoverished masses who don't work at all wait how do you get to there from universal basic income I'd say because what are you talking about a safety net and so you it's safety net so you can sustain yourself whether you work or not regardless one of the arguments you know against that is one well what's the and what's the purpose of why would I bother working why would I work a minimum wage job if my income is only you know I barely get by as it is why would I why would I work a full-time job and still barely get by this is even now a lot of arguments with like the welfare system that you can you know for a long time you could get by on it right so I think that is the argument that people make for universal basic income that like instead of funding welfare programs people would be given like a thousand dollars which really isn't enough to live on but instead of taking welfare they're giving money that then they need to decide for themselves what to do with yeah I mean we'd see we'd see where that would go I would I would argue that it wouldn't last I would argue wouldn't last and if you look at countries that have done it they're already talking about getting rid of it you know I mean my my concern with universal basic income is that it actually wages down because people will be willing to work for lower wages and so obviously a minimum wage can solve that in the short term but that also creates another set of issues but like over the long term as inflation continues it'll keep wages low because instead of having to earn you know you'd be willing to work for six dollars an hour instead of ten dollars an hour because you also have this you know there's this safety net so ultimately then corporations kind of can take advantage of this and they they pay workers less and less over time and then you can't really undo that system and then the other issue I think is that the government then has an enormous permanent burden to have high taxation in order to support the distribution of this income so it actually becomes a major burden on the government of course it gives the government power as well but I mean that but that issues not the same as the you know communist issue that you've been talking about right or is it you know like I said you can't look at the surface issue to understand this I mean the surface issue would be you know well give people free money right so you you steal money from hard-working people right and then you give it to people who don't don't work or might not want to work well that's that you're assuming that taxation is theft well Texas how is it not theft it is I mean I mean not I would say not all taxation is theft but how is it how is plunder how was it not plunder I mean obviously if you're taking like the great majority of people's income it's theft if you're taking only less fifty percent yeah and I mean and I think you can there's there's arguments for for that but there there may be some level of income taxation that you couldn't really call theft you call it a necessary taxation to support like we can't support everything through tariffs anymore well it's only because the size of government has gone massively massively higher than what it was originally intended mainly to support systems that they create for programs like this amazing the military like one of the biggest chunks of the budget military is pretty big and it's I think it's because the US has I think unwittingly become kind of the one taking care of the whole world that after after world war ii you know yet they they pretty much just the soviet union in the united states is the two main military powers europe didn't have the budget to do it and so they kind of just got used to that system and so the u.s. had kind of fend off the whole communist system and fight all these wars and some countries chipped in a little bit but for the most part i think they you know europe and all these other countries that benefited from this they just don't think they need to play their part anymore and i think trump is actually kind of gone after them i paid for that you know with like the united nations and nato and stuff yeah yeah but you know and it's true to I mean yeah it's I mean it does take a big part of the budget but the idea is is that how big discover Minh tactually need to be what what role should government actually play in our lives but I'd say I'd say even hey do you know to what extent are they play in our lives but I would say even this isn't you know you can't really ascertain communism with this I would say that back to the idea of basic income the Communist goal wouldn't be just to let's say you know take money from the wealthy and give it to people who you know might not feel like working as much the goal would be to destroy the culture of hard work the goal will be to destroy the culture of self-reliance the goal would be to destroy ideas like generosity right that you should give you know you should enjoy helping others that you should find joy and but you know helping others if you see what about the joy of being taxed at a 70 percent rate you know but no but I can see what your what you're saying so it's more like a cultural subversion but but on the on the economic level what it ends up doing is it gives the government actually a lot of power over people's lives because when the government is taxing things at a high rate its controlling a large amount of your come and and then what happens is you start having people saying hide I can't find work right because people no longer believe that you should try to start your own business if you can't find work you should no longer be self-reliant they expect people to create work for them they want the government to create jobs they don't want to go you know start something themselves and because they create more and more red tape it becomes more and more difficult to do that if we look at Denmark right the Nordic model it's very easy to start your own business it's one of one of the reasons why they're able to have that kind of system right and don't they describe themselves as capitalists they do they do but some reasons socialists here call them so-so but yeah because they have they do have free health care and they do have the free college system and arguably the lot of people already a lot of people are moving towards paid health care plans anyways because the government ones pretty terrible it's just like with the u.s. you know we have of course you know free health care for veterans and stuff but the system is horrible the waiting lines it's tougher horrible you do you remember anyone who can afford it's still gonna get you know a private private health care company but you know the the idea with this is like I said is to destroy these values right and also cut you know and then you're going to have people inevitably saying well a thousand dollars a month isn't enough to live on I can't find work what are you going to do about it and they're gonna say oh well we should increase this right look how much of these people make look how much these big corporations and business owners make we need to take more of their money and give it to them eventually you you you increasingly turn society against each other the people who do work hard say I'm already supporting you I'm already paying money out of my pocket so you can get by and kind of what you see happening now is where the ultra-rich are able to figure out loopholes to avoid all this yeah a burden falls on a huge issue and then ironically the ultra-rich are usually the ones who push this and why do they push it they push it because it eliminates competition right mmm Otis if you're limiting in eliminating small business yeah then those disruptors you know they never they never spring up basically exactly you never have to worry about you who are then the competitors if there's no such thing as a middle class you have a massive upper class in a massive lower class so communism or socialism who says achieved and it's later stages in every instance I mean it sounds like a conspiracy but it just makes economic sense eliminate your competition yeah that's what they do and it's you know you have all it's ironic that you have all these big guys talking about taxes more you know taxes more so I fatica Lee and if I were a giant super-rich corporation which I'm not I would want to encourage a super high minimum wage knowing that I can just automate things but no smaller business can start up with that has a base cost yeah or even encouraged you know one of the big arguments now is with you know Zuckerberg Mark Zuckerberg with Facebook is talking about coming out and adopting these new forms of Internet censorship well what does it mean then if every if every person who runs a website needs to be in charge of a form of censorship and you are responsible for that censorship does that mean you know what does that mean when you have to you know you can't you can't have money to develop an algorithm to search and censor you don't you don't have the money to you know monitor everything that's posted online you don't have this you know all the all the mid-level competitions gonna just die pretty much so by creating regulation that's effectively internet censorship and making any internet provider or internet or any website group responsible for that only the super-rich companies can afford those commits it's fine very much like the way it's run in China or what the Chinese Communist Party does is they they tell you no sign of a war or other sites that you are responsible for policing the content on your own site and and if they don't do that then that website the the the people who run the website get in trouble or you know individual users get in trouble and so it's act like that's that's the actual system now in China that they're using for censorship yeah and that's and that's an interesting point you bring up Matt because you know people look at the explain China which is a very extreme society under the Communist Party and it's hard to imagine the steps a society would need to take to get to that extreme and like it seems impossible that the United States could ever end up like China yeah well part of the idea I mean just on the note of regulations for this Chinese Communist Party uses this as warfare so if you look at the unresting the whole unrestricted warfare doctrine they list regular regulation warfare as part of it the use of regulations is a weapon you know you mean mmm I mean you could even say tariffs are kind of like that but regulations even more so this is you know the CCP you can create laws that require a company to hand over their intellectual property if you go to China suddenly China if you do business there they can use your technology and mass-produce it and you can create a company to compete against you with your lacrosse game up with a Chinese company yeah stuff like that you know they can do this or you know you create restrictions on foreign companies and really light restrictions on domestic companies for example that's that's a form of regulation warfare you know when you deal with even like one of the issues we have right now in the US is that for example a lot of these environmental regulations are putting farmers out of business you know although the farmers are going into business and under under the Environmental Protection Agency if you if if it rained and you had a puddle that puddle would be government property would be regulated you know I mean this is how insane things had gotten and so you know pretty much yeah what happens and these regulations put all these small companies all these you know independent more independent types out of business what's left in the end is this massive factory farms it's you know massive massive businesses that can withstand high taxation that can withstand all these regulations and everyone can't withstand it but again this is just part of this is part of the progression of communism right and if you're a big business you can also hire lobbyists to write to laws because a huge number of laws are actually written in the United States are written by lobbyists by lawmakers especially on the state level yeah not stream think tanks yeah and so like we think of our elected officials as writing the laws and they do sometimes but a lot of times they'll just accept or barely change a pre submitted regulatory document that could be from a corporation yeah no it's totally accurate yeah yeah so wait is communism everywhere yeah to an extent yeah I mean except right here on China unscripted yeah the means of production we also have essentially no economy or money please sponsor us some chine Carper Asian trying to use regulation to crush competitors will you please sponsor us did we we didn't even get into a unrestricted warfare or ideological subversion no I think we need we'll probably have to have you on again like yeah over didn't offend too many people but honestly like I mean we went for this stuff is terrible the the surface talking points do not represent the reality of things in practice and I think this is where people go wrong with it the the the I think most of these people are good people I mean I used to believe in a lot of this stuff until you until you really realize what it entails because it's all it's talking about making the world a better place ending injustice and inequality and it also relies on a misunderstanding of what the world used to be the values that were lost there's a whole kind of rebranding of history one of the systems they use versus critical theory that was a Frankfurt School concept and I think that's gonna have to be for the next broadcast but I mean also Marx has had sort of framed history as the history of the world as a history of class struggle which was what critical theory did okay so so that's and so people people have a false understanding of what the world was without communism right they can't understand things without outside the lens of communism so if you say that the world was horrible in the past and now we're making it better then you're like okay I'm willing to accept a system that's better than the thing I've been told happened before yeah and then they talked about this whole that the crimes of communism are necessary necessary costs to achieve its goals right I mean trashing the past is a big part of what the Chinese Communist Party did in China at least everything really good at trashing the past yeah yeah so it destroys the past to force people to believe in the Communist future gain that fifth stage of its I've heard it described before as a war against memory the people who live under these systems there's a constant war against a memory that they don't want you to remember what what life was before that reminds me of some animes I've seen well Josh do I want to say thank you for joining us yeah I'm feeling terrible right now but but but also weirdly enlightened thank you again for joining us Josh that was that was all a little that might I think my head might have exploded it was very intense I definitely know what the listeners have to say about this because a lot of this was kind of new information for me certainly I'd never heard the arguments about you know today we covered everything from Illuminism and the occult and Satanism although helps you corporatism today and Bernie Sanders got mentions so if you're listening to this on our YouTube channel leave your comments below but I would say you know usually 95% of our listeners never leave comments but in this case I would encourage you to leave your comments to specifically talk about what you think what you learned and if you'd like to have Josh on again and what do you like him to talk about and even if you're one of those you know 95% of people who basically never leave comments it would be great if you could leave a comment this time because we'd really like to hear from you yeah so Josh yeah thanks again for joining us maybe we'll get you on next time to actually finish talking about unrestricted warfare things all right and thank you for listening to China unscripted I hope you made it home the way through I mean I found this fascinating but yeah Shelley will be back next week so once again I'm Chris Chappell and I'm Matt konista talk to you next time

  1. dude if i see another comment thats says "that was very informative" then im going assume that these are Russian bots

  2. Great podcast. I think I took 4 days or so to finish it. I appreciated very much learning about how communism evolved from the French Revolution. I knew that had to be the case but I hadn't studied it so topic was enlightening. Great info all the way to the end!

  3. I felt like the guy talking was a fountain of knowledge until he started to say that 'of course public healthcare systems cant work' as if this is an obvious fact.. and by referencing the veterans system in the USA, well maybe this is just a badly run system? Wouldnt surprise me in the US, to make sure that people think public healthcare can never work. Well coming from the UK I can tell you that it does work and your system in USA costs twice as much to deliver the same medical outcomes. In other words, you are 50% as efficient as us. Where is your money going? Insurance companies. And then he says, obviously people who can afford it are all going private.. well what about the people who can't afford it. You have 28 million uninsured, and people paying out their life savings for life saving treatments. I'm sorry but your healthcare system in the USA just totally sucks – if you want to try to believe that public healthcare is impossible to make you feel better about how much money you are wasting in insurance, be my guest, but dont do it with intellectual smuggery

  4. This is the best discussion of socialism and communism I've ever heard I wish all americans would listen to this, so they could understand why we need to shrink the fedral government

  5. "illuminati" simply means "enlightened" in Italian. The blond guy is right, the singular of illuminati is "illuminato". Why conspiracists use foreign words to make things sound more interesting is beyond me but the same thing happens here in Italy when some folks use many more English loanwords than necessary just to sound sophisticated.

  6. Joshua Philipp was a fantastic guest and it would be great to get him back on the podcast to continue to conversation of socialism post-soviet, China expansion, Social Democrats, and THE FUTURE regarding Chinese telecom networks and infiltration.

  7. i quite agree with, main speaker Josh (i think it's the name of that intellectual philosophical guy) ** generally speaking his information is quite known to me about communism since it was the system i was born in ** at same time it took me my over a decade to rebel n fight with it starting from my early 20s ** i went thru many discussions n criticism of that system with almost all my friends (we hated it) ** this is perhaps why i'm quite sure i know it well-enough from the practical point of view ** that means, i'm a great enemy of that evil system, n it infuriates me seeing millennials trying to "embrace" that greatest piece of shit ever ** i hv no illusions that they either hv no idea what it is or just believe n hope to get a free pass n succeed in it if it ever comes to fruition ** i'm sure most of those morons will be executed like animals if it happens, but i can't stop imbeciles to believe in something that'll never hv a good value in any society

  8. Definitely invite him back.

    And since this is CHINA Unscripted, ask him if China is a Communist country or not (or socialist/capitalist/etc).

    p.s. Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid take up far more of the federal budget than defense does.

  9. Joshua Philipp did a great job and it would be great to hear more from him on China Unscripted. I would like to hear more about the modern approach to left hand deception, and specific cases since 2010 to now.
    I was also recently in Beijing and was really impressed by the cool tech there.

  10. “The world revolution which we will experience will be exclusively our affair and will rest in our hands. This revolution will tighten the Jewish domination over all other people.”
    – Le Peuple Juif, February 8, 1919.

    “The governments of the peoples included in this world republic, with the aid of the victorious proletariat, all will fall without difficulty into Jewish hands. Private property will then be strangled by the Jewish directors, who will administer the state patrimony everywhere. Thus the promise of the Talmud will be fulfilled, that is, the promise that the Jews, at the arrival of the Messiah, will possess the key to the wealth of all the peoples of the earth.”
    – Baruch Levy, in a letter to Karl Marx, published in the Rothschild controlled La Revue de Paris, June 1, 1928.

  11. Great talk until it degenerates later a bit. Joshua is very informed and has a great way of putting his ideas out but I would probably stop the video about an hour or so because he's putting out an opinion piece. Until that point though it was great. But he's clearly pushing classical liberalism and kicking Denmark in the nuts every chance he gets even though Denmark has an extremely high happiness index and high wages. Dude's got a silver tongue but I recommend sticking to history because you know what they say about opinions…they're like assholes. Everyone's got em.

  12. I couldn't agree with Josh's perspective on tax and welfare. If a government don't do taxes, where are the money gonna come from to fix roads and other infrastructure of society? If a government do not help youths to higher education through subsidies, is Josh suggesting only those with money should get a good education? While there are welfare bludgers, many on welfare aren't necessarily because they are lazy. How does Josh suppose a person debilitated by a disease or something be able to work or start a business? How are single parents going to afford raising their kids on one income without some sort of government assistance?

    I'm coming from a Christian perspective on this and in no way do I support socialism or communism. As a Christian, people who are wealthy or able to own their own business are so because God gifted them in that area, so that they can help the unfortunate, it is not robbing from hard working people to ask everyone to pitch in a small part to help those in need.

  13. Absolutely brilliant show fellas. the historical breakdown was just awesome and will be very helpful to many. You guys are so on the money, this needs to go mainstream.
    Unfortunately many won't/can't listen to a whole hour so it may even worth be breaking up into bite-sized pieces with some nice historical images streamed for effect. A plus. Do another one please!

  14. I was on board for the first half, but then Mr. Philipp went into his bizarre claims like, "being critical of the 1% is just like antisemitism" and "fascism and communism are the same thing." I mean, what a load of nonsense. He offered no statistics or reasonable facts, simply using anecdotal evidence. A reasonable person can hate authoritarianism without dumbing the concept down with oversimplifications like Mr. Philipp has. If you have him on again, then as hosts please actually challenge this guest to support his assertions with statistics or facts.

  15. This actually makes a lot of sense. You don't generally say that when the Illuminati are brought up on Youtube.

  16. Excellent podcast. I prefer if it was a broken up into 3 podcasts each an hour long. When can we expect the follow up podcast? I would like to hear multi-culturalism touch upon and it effects on a nation.

  17. Please have Josh back. This was a fantastic FANTASTIC episode. Please cover critical theory and the Frankfurt school and how a college education at an ivy league school may take on a different meaning in today's times.

  18. Would you be able to compile a comprehensive list of sources on the stuff about early communism/socialism? This Episode was really interesting and i would love to take a deep dive into the beginning of communism, but I personally find it really hard to find first hand sources with no starting point. Thanks for the great and informing Episode!

  19. Hi, I live in shanghai and ironicaly I was listening to this episode while walking pass the former chairman's residents at the french concession area. Please bring on Josh again on your show. The podcast ( especially starting from 40:00 min mark )was one if the most fascinating thus far. I would appreciate if you focus more on how Communism uses Capitalism to promote its agenda. Also, I would like to know why radical Muslim political ideology was not mentioned since it has many of the charachteristic mentioned .

  20. For people who want to see other views on this matter, here's a video by Sam Gerrans which talks about similar things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaiXMX4xDJ0&t=9s
    Basically, in his opinion, even the Western modern societies are masked societies, whose aim is socialism, but masked in a certain way.

  21. I thought it was too long and that I wouldn't finish it, but really when I started listening to it I changed my mind. This information is golden and not easy to retrive.
    Thanks for sharing it.

  22. This was a really good discussion. I seems like the various Socialist/Totalitarian systems all aim for power at any price through lies, promises, and subversion against the perceived enemies and cultures. It solve oppression by oppressing everyone who doesn't follow the agenda. Ultimately killing many in exchange for creating a new culture that supports the new regime. Bring Josh back! I want to hear more about this and the history of collective systems of suffering!

  23. This was totally interesting–this is stuff that we need to know. I probably will have to listen to this multiple times to understand everything. Have Josh on again!

  24. I love this one! Too bad Shelley couldn't be there. She always brings insights at the system-level which would further enrich discussions with Josh! The type of discussions reminds me of Chomsky's books, which I wonder what Josh thinks about him! If possible, could we clarify some terminologies such as socialism, communism, capitalism, etc. to a well-defined state before talking about the mechanisms of each system? I know this is very difficult since nothing is discrete, but without such clarification, it is very easy to dismiss some discussions as nonsense or conspiracy theory. I think it is important to distinguish conspiracies vs mechanisms (consciously or unconsciously) drive human actions at various levels of society. Thanks for a great one!

  25. This guy seemed pretty right on until he called Gnosticism "Luciferian" or "Satanic" or whatever. It just goes to show the bias and place this guy is coming from.

    Edit: I was tempted to make this my first China Unscripted video to thumbs down when he compared Bernie Sanders to Mussolini, but though I disagree with the staff for just nodding their heads towards their incredibly biased interviewer I still hate Communism so, though it'll be a first one of your videos I won't thumbs up in a while, keep up the fight against Communism, even if you must practice Taqiyah.

    Edit x2: OK, this guy just said that taxation is theft around 1:41:00, I still won't downvote, but this is really pushing it with the ideology.

  26. I hope this comment gets read…
    I was very surprised to hear this level of understanding about the history of communism and it's link with fascism, the French Revolution, the hippie movements, Liberation Theology, and Satanism.
    I had become familiar with this general association of bad ideologies in a sort of "supra-communism" in a book called "Revolution and Counter-Revolution" by Plinio Correa de Oliveira, who dealt especially with Liberation Theology and the infiltration of these principles into the Catholic Church, (even though hatred of the same Church was always a uniting factor for communists). This book should be required reading for all anti-communists…
    Please have Joshua on the show again, he knows what he's talking about and we need to learn things.

  27. This was interesting, but ultimately a little confusing. Josh Philips criticises the Nordic model because it encourages indolence and because Nordic socialised medicine is dysfunctional. But both arguments could be countered by pointing out that unemployment throughout the Nordic region is quite low and that Nordic populations live longer than their American counterparts. Josh also calls taxation 'plunder', but that seems wholly unrealistic given that taxation happens almost everywhere and throughout history. The crucial point is surely the democratic ability to vote out governments that choose to tax and spend foolishly. Anyway, communist China has quite low taxes, does not spend a large percent of its revenue on defence, the education system is not gratis, there is no socialised health care. In china, without money you won't get emergency hospital treatment, the pension system appears to be one that individuals fund themselves, etc etc. It is a system that ruthlessly encourages competition and a good degree of self reliance because the Chinese state does not offer much in the way of social assistance to anyone except maybe members of the communist party. To even flirt with the idea of comparing say Norway with China is a bit like comparing potatoes with moon rock.

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